WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.760 align:middle line:90% 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:02.620 align:middle line:90% That's nice. 00:00:02.620 --> 00:00:04.640 align:middle line:84% I didn't know I was getting an intro, too. 00:00:04.640 --> 00:00:05.940 align:middle line:90% Very, very kind. 00:00:05.940 --> 00:00:08.520 align:middle line:90% 00:00:08.520 --> 00:00:10.200 align:middle line:84% I'm going to start formal and then 00:00:10.200 --> 00:00:12.900 align:middle line:84% get slightly less formal, if that's OK, 00:00:12.900 --> 00:00:15.240 align:middle line:90% just to give everyone a sense. 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:19.860 align:middle line:84% Anselm Berrigan, poet, teacher, editor and occasional publisher, 00:00:19.860 --> 00:00:22.440 align:middle line:84% is the author of several books of poetry, 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:24.600 align:middle line:84% including Don't Forget to Love Me, 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:29.160 align:middle line:84% Something for Everybody, Come in Alone, Primitive State, Notes 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:33.200 align:middle line:84% from Irrelevance, Zero Star Hotel, and Regrets. 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:36.960 align:middle line:84% He was the poetry editor for the Brooklyn Rail from 2008 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.040 align:middle line:84% until recently, and is the former artistic director 00:00:40.040 --> 00:00:43.040 align:middle line:84% of the Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church. 00:00:43.040 --> 00:00:45.080 align:middle line:90% He edited What is Poetry? 00:00:45.080 --> 00:00:47.400 align:middle line:84% Just Kidding, I Know You Know: Interviews 00:00:47.400 --> 00:00:52.640 align:middle line:84% from the Poetry Project Newsletter, 1983 to 2009. 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:56.420 align:middle line:84% Berrigan's Work is clever, multifaceted, intellectual, 00:00:56.420 --> 00:01:01.920 align:middle line:84% colloquial, everyday, political, cosmic, ever adapting formally 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:04.640 align:middle line:84% and visually on the rectangle of the page, 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:08.900 align:middle line:84% and resistant to the simplicity or reductions. 00:01:08.900 --> 00:01:13.420 align:middle line:84% Berrigan challenges the status quo and uplifts the outlier. 00:01:13.420 --> 00:01:17.340 align:middle line:84% And the long poem, And What Does Need Mean, for the Parish 00:01:17.340 --> 00:01:20.780 align:middle line:84% Hall at St. Mark's church, Berrigan writes, "I come here 00:01:20.780 --> 00:01:24.140 align:middle line:84% to listen without convention to listen, 00:01:24.140 --> 00:01:27.960 align:middle line:84% against to listen for conventions, lack to hear it, 00:01:27.960 --> 00:01:31.300 align:middle line:84% the art of its offshoots, foils, companions 00:01:31.300 --> 00:01:33.980 align:middle line:84% and highly troubled organs disappear 00:01:33.980 --> 00:01:37.100 align:middle line:84% by doing being in that, it's easy to do 00:01:37.100 --> 00:01:40.260 align:middle line:84% and gets harder as the shapes get shapelier. 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:44.220 align:middle line:84% You really think language failed? 00:01:44.220 --> 00:01:48.000 align:middle line:84% I would describe Berrigan as consistently gesturing outward, 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.340 align:middle line:84% questioning the role of the speaker or the ego, 00:01:51.340 --> 00:01:54.740 align:middle line:84% its role in the poem, the vessel in which perceptions 00:01:54.740 --> 00:01:57.860 align:middle line:84% seep through and are artfully arranged. 00:01:57.860 --> 00:02:01.700 align:middle line:84% In his book Come in Alone, a visually idiosyncratic book 00:02:01.700 --> 00:02:03.540 align:middle line:84% of poems written along the border 00:02:03.540 --> 00:02:06.300 align:middle line:84% of the page, the first poem is marked solely 00:02:06.300 --> 00:02:10.380 align:middle line:84% with the capital letter I repeated, for instance. 00:02:10.380 --> 00:02:12.640 align:middle line:84% Here, poems and lines are seamless, 00:02:12.640 --> 00:02:16.110 align:middle line:84% circuiting outward into endless meanings. 00:02:16.110 --> 00:02:17.630 align:middle line:90% Berrigan is generous. 00:02:17.630 --> 00:02:19.350 align:middle line:84% In his life and work, he continues 00:02:19.350 --> 00:02:22.170 align:middle line:84% to acknowledge and honor his poetic influences, 00:02:22.170 --> 00:02:25.430 align:middle line:84% and to support up and coming poets alike. 00:02:25.430 --> 00:02:28.330 align:middle line:84% Through his editing work on interviews in What is Poetry? 00:02:28.330 --> 00:02:31.790 align:middle line:84% Just Kidding, I Know You Know, Berrigan facilitated and made 00:02:31.790 --> 00:02:34.070 align:middle line:84% space for the cross-generational engagement 00:02:34.070 --> 00:02:37.030 align:middle line:84% between younger poets who wanted to connect with older artists 00:02:37.030 --> 00:02:39.950 align:middle line:90% and writers. 00:02:39.950 --> 00:02:43.230 align:middle line:84% I'm full of cliches when I try to articulate earnestly 00:02:43.230 --> 00:02:46.150 align:middle line:84% and honestly what Berrigan's influence has been on my life 00:02:46.150 --> 00:02:47.790 align:middle line:90% as a poet. 00:02:47.790 --> 00:02:50.790 align:middle line:84% I wouldn't have become a poet if I hadn't, or it 00:02:50.790 --> 00:02:54.830 align:middle line:84% was serendipitous that I encountered Berrigan early on. 00:02:54.830 --> 00:02:57.890 align:middle line:84% Anselm was one of my first poetry workshop teachers. 00:02:57.890 --> 00:03:00.830 align:middle line:84% And I was fortunate to absorb his knowledge for a couple 00:03:00.830 --> 00:03:07.270 align:middle line:84% semesters between 2009 and 2011 at Pratt Institute in Brooklyn. 00:03:07.270 --> 00:03:11.190 align:middle line:84% Over 15 years later, I still carry Anselm's poem prompts 00:03:11.190 --> 00:03:14.430 align:middle line:84% and lessons with me closely, often recycling them 00:03:14.430 --> 00:03:16.630 align:middle line:90% onto my own students. 00:03:16.630 --> 00:03:18.390 align:middle line:84% Anselm taught me how to keep poetry 00:03:18.390 --> 00:03:20.950 align:middle line:84% as a through line in my life, despite the ever 00:03:20.950 --> 00:03:24.250 align:middle line:84% dominant cultures, minimization, or questioning 00:03:24.250 --> 00:03:26.890 align:middle line:90% of poetry as a life path. 00:03:26.890 --> 00:03:29.330 align:middle line:84% Anselm taught us, through close readings, 00:03:29.330 --> 00:03:32.970 align:middle line:84% interesting and humanizing anecdotes on poets, 00:03:32.970 --> 00:03:35.890 align:middle line:84% and speaking the poems out loud about the power of poetry 00:03:35.890 --> 00:03:38.170 align:middle line:90% to shift the atmosphere. 00:03:38.170 --> 00:03:42.010 align:middle line:84% Things that were invisible became visible. 00:03:42.010 --> 00:03:43.950 align:middle line:84% Anselm allowed us to enter, extend, 00:03:43.950 --> 00:03:47.650 align:middle line:84% and move beyond the realms of grief, daily life, and dreams. 00:03:47.650 --> 00:03:49.890 align:middle line:84% We were saturated meaningfully with the work 00:03:49.890 --> 00:03:52.370 align:middle line:84% of vast and varied poets, many of whom 00:03:52.370 --> 00:03:56.810 align:middle line:84% were memorable for the ways Anselm introduced them, revered 00:03:56.810 --> 00:03:59.690 align:middle line:84% them, extended curiosity, and offered 00:03:59.690 --> 00:04:03.070 align:middle line:84% their multidimensionality beyond the xeroxed pages. 00:04:03.070 --> 00:04:04.110 align:middle line:90% This is a long intro. 00:04:04.110 --> 00:04:07.490 align:middle line:84% I tried to make it shorter, but we're just going to keep going. 00:04:07.490 --> 00:04:10.930 align:middle line:84% And I'm a woman of few words, so. 00:04:10.930 --> 00:04:13.010 align:middle line:84% My classmates and I, in the semesters 00:04:13.010 --> 00:04:16.630 align:middle line:84% that followed, missing Anselm's wisdom and presence, 00:04:16.630 --> 00:04:21.050 align:middle line:84% would wistfully say to one another, Anselm, forever. 00:04:21.050 --> 00:04:24.330 align:middle line:84% I learned and witnessed, through Anselm's teachings, 00:04:24.330 --> 00:04:28.390 align:middle line:84% that poetry transcends time, geography, death, and logic. 00:04:28.390 --> 00:04:31.990 align:middle line:84% I learned and continue to learn the magic of coincidence. 00:04:31.990 --> 00:04:33.490 align:middle line:84% In the time between now and then, 00:04:33.490 --> 00:04:37.310 align:middle line:84% there have been many real surreal moments. 00:04:37.310 --> 00:04:39.490 align:middle line:84% Anselm would have us write him letters. 00:04:39.490 --> 00:04:42.230 align:middle line:84% And through this, he provided many personalized book 00:04:42.230 --> 00:04:44.190 align:middle line:90% recommendations. 00:04:44.190 --> 00:04:47.190 align:middle line:84% One book he recommended to me was the anthology Not 00:04:47.190 --> 00:04:50.230 align:middle line:84% For Mothers Only: Contemporary Poems on Child 00:04:50.230 --> 00:04:52.510 align:middle line:90% Getting and Child Rearing. 00:04:52.510 --> 00:04:54.530 align:middle line:84% Drawn to many of the contributors, 00:04:54.530 --> 00:04:56.790 align:middle line:84% though ignorant to the motherhood theme, 00:04:56.790 --> 00:04:59.270 align:middle line:84% I recently pulled it instinctually from the shelf 00:04:59.270 --> 00:05:02.030 align:middle line:84% for the first time in over a decade, 00:05:02.030 --> 00:05:04.510 align:middle line:90% pregnant with my first child. 00:05:04.510 --> 00:05:09.270 align:middle line:84% During an Anne Carson reading at St. Mark's Church, 00:05:09.270 --> 00:05:12.290 align:middle line:84% I saw Lou Reed, one of my heroes at the time, 00:05:12.290 --> 00:05:15.430 align:middle line:90% doze off in the audience. 00:05:15.430 --> 00:05:17.870 align:middle line:84% Soon after my time in New York City, I was star 00:05:17.870 --> 00:05:22.630 align:middle line:84% struck when I spotted the poet Cedar Sigo, whose work Anselm 00:05:22.630 --> 00:05:24.470 align:middle line:84% shared with us working the cosmetics 00:05:24.470 --> 00:05:28.830 align:middle line:84% section of Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco, a place I went to 00:05:28.830 --> 00:05:30.710 align:middle line:90% as a child. 00:05:30.710 --> 00:05:32.710 align:middle line:84% In New Mexico, I went to a bookstore 00:05:32.710 --> 00:05:36.440 align:middle line:84% and asked the staff if they had any books by Layli Long Soldier. 00:05:36.440 --> 00:05:38.820 align:middle line:84% Anselm had taught some of her online poems. 00:05:38.820 --> 00:05:42.440 align:middle line:84% And I was baffled when they said they didn't, not understanding 00:05:42.440 --> 00:05:45.480 align:middle line:84% how time worked, that her book Whereas was years 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.720 align:middle line:90% away from entering the world. 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:51.900 align:middle line:84% I remember many Alice Notley readings at Pratt, 00:05:51.900 --> 00:05:53.400 align:middle line:84% the entire creative writing program 00:05:53.400 --> 00:05:55.840 align:middle line:90% crammed into one classroom. 00:05:55.840 --> 00:05:57.680 align:middle line:84% In Oakland, I hobbled on crutches 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:02.400 align:middle line:84% to see her read in a warehouse here at the Poetry Center, also 00:06:02.400 --> 00:06:04.480 align:middle line:90% for a lecture and a reading. 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:08.440 align:middle line:84% At the University of Arizona, another packed classroom. 00:06:08.440 --> 00:06:11.440 align:middle line:84% I remember Notley tearing up reciting lines 00:06:11.440 --> 00:06:16.320 align:middle line:84% from William Carlos Williams' Asphodel, that Greeny Flower. 00:06:16.320 --> 00:06:18.720 align:middle line:84% Buzzing, I rushed home to read the poem 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.880 align:middle line:84% and didn't feel what Notley seemed to feel. 00:06:21.880 --> 00:06:25.600 align:middle line:84% But when I read the poem this morning, I wept. 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:27.760 align:middle line:84% Here at the Poetry Center, I've received 00:06:27.760 --> 00:06:31.080 align:middle line:84% the gift of witnessing so many incredible poets read. 00:06:31.080 --> 00:06:33.400 align:middle line:84% And I find that if you wait around long enough, 00:06:33.400 --> 00:06:36.760 align:middle line:84% favorites like Anselm Berrigan will arrive. 00:06:36.760 --> 00:06:39.950 align:middle line:84% Please, let's welcome Anselm Berrigan. 00:06:39.950 --> 00:06:43.000 align:middle line:90%