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Yes, no.

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I think that if I were to
write the essay that you

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were writing, it might be called
"Suffering and Depression."

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And maybe I'm
thinking of the model

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of Freud's Mourning
and Melancholia,

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but it's suffering.

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It's not depression.

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Suffering, you're sad because
you have boils or your child

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died or you've
lost your fortune.

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That's suffering.

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And as you say, depression is in
some other different category,

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and the depression that is
related to the tribulations

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of an artist is different.

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If I wrote that
essay that you were

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going to write on
depression versus suffering,

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if you wanted a counterbalance
to Job, you might pick Saul.

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He's the most famous depressive
in the Bible, probably.

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But things like the Michelangelo
poem might be a thing.

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The other thing to do
would be to do the Psalms.

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In the David book, I
refer to the Psalms

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as paranoid masterpieces
because he does often

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say how beset he
is by his enemies.

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They are masterpieces
of paranoia.

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And there's the pain
of the imagination,

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and there's the pain
of objective reality.

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You can have boils,
or you can feel

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you weren't cut out to be
king or you weren't cut out

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to be an artist or a poet, and
here you are expected to be it.

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And you don't have to trivialize
or neglect either one of them.

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You can respect both
of them while making

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a very important
distinction, which

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you're doing between them.