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And as I mentioned, the
images that Gareth first

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showed me were
these communities,

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these communities that I knew,
that I spent my childhood at.

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And of course, it
was my mother's home

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and so it was a very strong
connection to these places.

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And as many of you know,
O'odham have been Catholic

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for a long, long time.

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And so the Catholic Church
is very, very important.

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It's a central place
for communities.

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And so we all know the
churches very well.

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We know the inside of the
churches and the outside,

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and they're important markers
for all of us out there.

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And so Gareth took
pictures of some churches

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that had been abandoned.

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And there was one church
that I knew very well

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because we used to go there
for a pilgrimage for the Saint

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Francis feast day in October.

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And anyway, it was
that particular village

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and it had been abandoned
largely due to cartels

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and things like that.

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All of them left and
went to another village.

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And so it was very sad
to see those images.

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I knew about that village,
that it had been abandoned.

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But it was very striking
to see the images

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of an abandoned village and,
certainly, an abandoned church.

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And anyway, so I
wrote some pieces

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about the church there and sort
of how we saw and interacted

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with being Catholic there.