WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.960 align:middle line:90% 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:05.100 align:middle line:84% Thank you, and shout out to Assessment. 00:00:05.100 --> 00:00:06.540 align:middle line:90% It matters. 00:00:06.540 --> 00:00:10.350 align:middle line:84% You can go to assmatters.org, which is the Assessment Matters 00:00:10.350 --> 00:00:14.490 align:middle line:84% Institute for Assessment Matteration, where assessment 00:00:14.490 --> 00:00:15.530 align:middle line:90% really matters. 00:00:15.530 --> 00:00:17.280 align:middle line:84% It's like a national institute that I run. 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:19.380 align:middle line:84% So if you'd like to be on the board, 00:00:19.380 --> 00:00:21.330 align:middle line:84% you can also just drop me a line, 00:00:21.330 --> 00:00:24.105 align:middle line:84% and I'm happy to have you involved. 00:00:24.105 --> 00:00:25.480 align:middle line:84% Thank you so much for being here. 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:26.400 align:middle line:84% It's been a little while since I've 00:00:26.400 --> 00:00:27.692 align:middle line:90% been back at the Poetry Center. 00:00:27.692 --> 00:00:30.090 align:middle line:84% And it feels really good, kind of a homecoming, 00:00:30.090 --> 00:00:31.320 align:middle line:90% to be back here. 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:33.060 align:middle line:84% It's also been a little while since I 00:00:33.060 --> 00:00:34.500 align:middle line:90% saw Victoria Chang reading. 00:00:34.500 --> 00:00:36.810 align:middle line:84% So I'm really looking forward to this evening. 00:00:36.810 --> 00:00:39.420 align:middle line:84% Also, you have a treat in front of you. 00:00:39.420 --> 00:00:42.600 align:middle line:84% So yesterday, when visiting my Creative Writing class, 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:45.630 align:middle line:84% Victoria Chang said something that, to be frank, 00:00:45.630 --> 00:00:47.520 align:middle line:90% rocked my world. 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:49.410 align:middle line:84% Responding to a question about which 00:00:49.410 --> 00:00:52.110 align:middle line:84% of the poems in one of her books she likes the best, even 00:00:52.110 --> 00:00:54.120 align:middle line:90% if nobody else does-- 00:00:54.120 --> 00:00:55.950 align:middle line:84% it was my question, I should just say that. 00:00:55.950 --> 00:00:57.030 align:middle line:84% That wasn't my student's question. 00:00:57.030 --> 00:00:58.080 align:middle line:90% That was my question. 00:00:58.080 --> 00:00:59.543 align:middle line:84% I thought that was a good question. 00:00:59.543 --> 00:01:00.960 align:middle line:84% She told my class that she doesn't 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.420 align:middle line:84% have any feelings about the work once she's 00:01:03.420 --> 00:01:06.250 align:middle line:90% written it, none at all. 00:01:06.250 --> 00:01:08.160 align:middle line:84% She doesn't have any particular affection 00:01:08.160 --> 00:01:11.970 align:middle line:84% for any poem from Obit, her great 2020 book from Copper 00:01:11.970 --> 00:01:15.630 align:middle line:84% Canyon in which she writes these unhinged obits for her father's 00:01:15.630 --> 00:01:18.660 align:middle line:84% frontal lobe, for her mother, for versions of herself, 00:01:18.660 --> 00:01:21.960 align:middle line:84% voicemail language, memory, civility, friendships 00:01:21.960 --> 00:01:23.370 align:middle line:90% and a lot more. 00:01:23.370 --> 00:01:25.800 align:middle line:84% Nor does she have warm feelings for a series 00:01:25.800 --> 00:01:30.270 align:middle line:84% of my favorite poems from 2014's The Boss, in which she writes 00:01:30.270 --> 00:01:34.200 align:middle line:84% into and out of Office at Night, one among many Edward Hopper 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.560 align:middle line:84% paintings that are written about and to and in the book, 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:39.840 align:middle line:84% nor even for her first very lovely book 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.690 align:middle line:84% of non-fiction, Dear Memory: Letters 00:01:42.690 --> 00:01:45.630 align:middle line:84% On Writing, Silence, and Grief, published by Milkweed 00:01:45.630 --> 00:01:48.390 align:middle line:84% last year, in which after her mother's death, 00:01:48.390 --> 00:01:51.270 align:middle line:84% she sorts through the objects from her mother's life, 00:01:51.270 --> 00:01:52.920 align:middle line:84% present some of them to the reader 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.500 align:middle line:84% and uses them to ask questions in letters 00:01:55.500 --> 00:01:58.830 align:middle line:84% to, among others, her mother, grandmother, grandfather, 00:01:58.830 --> 00:02:02.850 align:middle line:84% a childhood acquaintance, silence, the body, teachers, 00:02:02.850 --> 00:02:05.760 align:middle line:84% her sister, daughters, the Ford Motor Company, 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:07.180 align:middle line:90% and so on. 00:02:07.180 --> 00:02:10.440 align:middle line:84% You may sense a pattern here, how she builds or finds 00:02:10.440 --> 00:02:12.720 align:middle line:84% or adopts a form and then turns it 00:02:12.720 --> 00:02:15.900 align:middle line:84% to unconventional directions, to surprising and thrilling 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:17.040 align:middle line:90% results. 00:02:17.040 --> 00:02:21.180 align:middle line:84% Nor will she even say she loves or is embarrassed by any poem 00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:23.760 align:middle line:84% from her first book, Circle, from which I 00:02:23.760 --> 00:02:26.790 align:middle line:84% saw her read some years ago in Muncie, Indiana. 00:02:26.790 --> 00:02:29.890 align:middle line:84% Might she feel a little more strongly for her newest book, 00:02:29.890 --> 00:02:32.880 align:middle line:84% The Trees Witness Everything, another adventures in form 00:02:32.880 --> 00:02:35.520 align:middle line:84% in which she uses Japanese syllabic forms called 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:40.140 align:middle line:84% wakas and frames them with titles from W.S. Merwin poems? 00:02:40.140 --> 00:02:42.180 align:middle line:90% I suspect the answer is no. 00:02:42.180 --> 00:02:44.280 align:middle line:84% This is a very cool book, Victoria. 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:45.660 align:middle line:90% How can you not feel this? 00:02:45.660 --> 00:02:46.380 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:02:46.380 --> 00:02:49.750 align:middle line:84% I asked myself why I was so shocked at this statement 00:02:49.750 --> 00:02:52.080 align:middle line:84% and what it meant that I felt more personally 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:54.790 align:middle line:84% attached to these books than she apparently did. 00:02:54.790 --> 00:02:56.370 align:middle line:90% And I do. 00:02:56.370 --> 00:02:58.810 align:middle line:84% I guess I shouldn't be shocked, though. 00:02:58.810 --> 00:03:01.800 align:middle line:84% As she puts it in Dear Memory, "Each book 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.710 align:middle line:84% isn't just a book but a period of life, a period 00:03:04.710 --> 00:03:06.330 align:middle line:90% of learning how to write." 00:03:06.330 --> 00:03:07.800 align:middle line:90% --which is true. 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:09.810 align:middle line:90% But it's also a book, isn't it? 00:03:09.810 --> 00:03:12.840 align:middle line:84% And a book is a collection of poems, or essays, or images, 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:16.500 align:middle line:84% or image text pieces, or reproductions of objects. 00:03:16.500 --> 00:03:18.480 align:middle line:84% But a book is also a mass of things 00:03:18.480 --> 00:03:20.490 align:middle line:90% that collects and is collected. 00:03:20.490 --> 00:03:23.160 align:middle line:84% It's an architectural record of a life, 00:03:23.160 --> 00:03:26.250 align:middle line:84% maybe the best record of a writer's life, or the writing 00:03:26.250 --> 00:03:28.440 align:middle line:84% part of a writer's life, or at least 00:03:28.440 --> 00:03:30.930 align:middle line:84% of the writer's mind, which is, after all, one 00:03:30.930 --> 00:03:32.880 align:middle line:90% of Chang's primary subjects. 00:03:32.880 --> 00:03:36.780 align:middle line:84% As she told my class, "My subject is always thinking." 00:03:36.780 --> 00:03:38.460 align:middle line:90% Yes, to this. 00:03:38.460 --> 00:03:41.010 align:middle line:84% But the subject of a Victoria Chang work 00:03:41.010 --> 00:03:43.920 align:middle line:84% is also inevitably language and form 00:03:43.920 --> 00:03:47.850 align:middle line:84% and the ultimate inadequacy of both in the writer's quest 00:03:47.850 --> 00:03:49.890 align:middle line:90% to represent the world. 00:03:49.890 --> 00:03:53.010 align:middle line:84% Maybe this is why she doesn't carry affection for the works 00:03:53.010 --> 00:03:58.080 align:middle line:84% themselves, just the act of working, writing, wanting, 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.740 align:middle line:84% as she puts it, "--wanting not only books but to be surprised 00:04:01.740 --> 00:04:05.620 align:middle line:84% again and again by the possible collisions of language. 00:04:05.620 --> 00:04:09.430 align:middle line:84% Restless making with an imperfect tool is the thing 00:04:09.430 --> 00:04:13.570 align:middle line:84% that matters and gives the truer pleasure--" Victoria tells us, 00:04:13.570 --> 00:04:15.610 align:middle line:84% "--not its result, the made thing, 00:04:15.610 --> 00:04:18.920 align:middle line:84% however beautiful and moving it may be." 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:20.690 align:middle line:84% It's bizarre when you think about it 00:04:20.690 --> 00:04:24.050 align:middle line:84% that we use the same word for both act and thing. 00:04:24.050 --> 00:04:27.900 align:middle line:84% Work, we work in order to make a work." 00:04:27.900 --> 00:04:31.910 align:middle line:84% Tim Gunn tells us from 2010 to make sure to make it work, 00:04:31.910 --> 00:04:33.680 align:middle line:90% to make the work work. 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:36.330 align:middle line:84% That is, the work of art produces the work of art. 00:04:36.330 --> 00:04:38.120 align:middle line:84% So which exactly is the work-- is 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.640 align:middle line:90% the real work of art, my dudes? 00:04:40.640 --> 00:04:44.390 align:middle line:84% We come to art to experience whatever 00:04:44.390 --> 00:04:47.900 align:middle line:84% sliver we get to act as witnesses to transformation 00:04:47.900 --> 00:04:49.130 align:middle line:90% to be moved. 00:04:49.130 --> 00:04:52.640 align:middle line:84% Another Victoria Chang poem tells us, quote, "We praise 00:04:52.640 --> 00:04:55.620 align:middle line:84% the artist, not the apple, not the apple shadow, 00:04:55.620 --> 00:04:57.320 align:middle line:90% which is murdered slowly. 00:04:57.320 --> 00:04:59.430 align:middle line:84% There must be some way of drawing a picture, 00:04:59.430 --> 00:05:01.730 align:middle line:90% so it doesn't become an elegy." 00:05:01.730 --> 00:05:02.990 align:middle line:90% Unquote. 00:05:02.990 --> 00:05:05.840 align:middle line:84% I still don't have the answer to my earlier question, what 00:05:05.840 --> 00:05:07.670 align:middle line:84% it means that I cared more for her books 00:05:07.670 --> 00:05:10.130 align:middle line:84% than, apparently, she did, except to say 00:05:10.130 --> 00:05:12.110 align:middle line:84% that the books are all that I have. 00:05:12.110 --> 00:05:14.630 align:middle line:84% These works are the only ones I can access, 00:05:14.630 --> 00:05:18.440 align:middle line:84% that you can access, that we all can access here tonight, 00:05:18.440 --> 00:05:21.740 align:middle line:84% except here tonight where we get a little bit of the worker 00:05:21.740 --> 00:05:23.400 align:middle line:90% as well as the work. 00:05:23.400 --> 00:05:26.300 align:middle line:84% So even if the books are diminished things by comparison 00:05:26.300 --> 00:05:30.690 align:middle line:84% to the work done to make them, they're still pretty damn good. 00:05:30.690 --> 00:05:32.000 align:middle line:90% I will take them. 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:33.390 align:middle line:90% I'll buy them. 00:05:33.390 --> 00:05:35.450 align:middle line:84% I'll keep them and have feelings about them. 00:05:35.450 --> 00:05:37.130 align:middle line:90% And I think that you will too. 00:05:37.130 --> 00:05:39.740 align:middle line:84% So please welcome tonight, Victoria Chang. 00:05:39.740 --> 00:05:42.790 align:middle line:90% [APPLAUSE] 00:05:42.790 --> 00:05:47.286 align:middle line:90%