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All right, Nicole, would
you like to share something?

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Happy to.

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Thank you for that.

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John, that's one of my
favorite poems of yours,

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and we do go back from 10
minutes ago in the kitchen,

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so good to see you again.

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Good to see you again.

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And of course, dear Hanif whose
generosity is exactly as John

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described.

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I just want to
thank you all again

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for having me be a
part of this project.

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I've had dear friends and
family members incarcerated,

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and having to go through that
in a different way with those

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incarcerated folks
was difficult,

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and their return
home equally so.

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So I appreciate
being part of this

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and being able to
share some of this.

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OK, some poems.

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I'm going to read a
couple more excerpts,

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this time pages 22
to 29, and 30 to 34.

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There against the
eavesdrop of night.

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Clear as a refrain, they were
young running after mercy.

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Its tail lights long
gone, neither interfering

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nor resisting profane, really.

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Consider the severity
flight imposes

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on a deer, instances in which
the animal out of nowhere

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appears to flee two or three
seconds too late, but does

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so only because of a
design oversight assigned

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to this particular
brand of the beast.

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We are the same fleeing
things, all evidenced for men

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by the closing door behind us.

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My point is, I decided
for the second time

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to force myself
to stand in place.

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A telltale sign that the
conditions under which I

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had been running were
breaking the skin,

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or worse, training the mind.

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Who among us is stunned
by how fast rain

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can pour from the sky, stunned
by how the sky, clear at first,

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corrects itself as if to
say, I mean this not that?

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Nicole.

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I wanted to make sure that you
had come to an organic pause.

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Thank you for also sharing
a little bit about what

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it meant to be invited.

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I think that one of the things
that another one of our partner

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is Kima, Kima Jones.

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Can't forget Kima.

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Kima and Dwayne,
Tyler, we've all

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spoken a lot about making
space for both writers who

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were incarcerated, writers
who have been directly

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impacted, but also all of the
adjacent harm and trauma that

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comes with having
family members who

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have gone through
that experience,

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and the effect of that
is a trickle down effect,

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and it affects everyone,
and it was important for us

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to bring people into
the conversation

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from all different perspectives
who maybe have never

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had an interaction
with law enforcement,

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because the more people that
we have speaking about it,

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the more it becomes
all of our problem.

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It doesn't become just
the people who are away.

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So thank you for saying
that, because that's

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a good just sort of
thought to keep in mind

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as we continue to move
forward with the project.

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