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Well, I think the one
untouchable subject

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that must be
touched is a subject

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of death and various forms of--

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because that's what
we're all about.

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That's what makes the
game interesting, right?

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And I think that the great
poets Rilke, Celan, who

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I've been reading a lot of.

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And Neruda, Dickinson
deal directly without fear

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with those subjects-- with
that particular subject.

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And not just a kind of death
that one can prepare for,

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but the kind of death
that comes unexpectedly.

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That seems to me
the big subject.

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Yeah.

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At the end of CK
Williams's poem the other--

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yesterday.

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That was the last poem,
the title poem, is he says,

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I don't know.

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This doesn't really
answer your question,

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but it made me think
a lot is that, you

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don't want to say at the
last moment of your life.

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It takes a long time to
get there, but: Wait!

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In other words, I
haven't done it all yet.

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I haven't done anything.

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But poems, we--

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I think Jane's probably
the same, most poets.

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You've got to be open to
talk about any subject,

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but you don't want the
particulars to hurt anybody,

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like your mother
or your girlfriend

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or something like that.

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So when you talk about
something that's painful

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or makes other
people vulnerable,

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like your friend or
something, that disguising

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is very important.

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And make sure nobody knows
that this poem is about--

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all my poems are for Jane
Miller, but I didn't say that.

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My wife doesn't know it, but
you've got to be careful.

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Is that the answer
to your question?

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Why did you say that--

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Steve for years taught me
to write the absolute truth,

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and I finally put it in
all the real names and all

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the real street address.

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And now, he's coming
out and saying

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he made the whole thing up.

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[LAUGHTER]

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Thanks a lot.

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We'll see you upstairs

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All right.

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We'll see you upstairs.

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[APPLAUSE]

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