WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.840 align:middle line:90% Here we go. 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:04.170 align:middle line:84% Debra Gregerman will introduce Jane Miller. 00:00:04.170 --> 00:00:06.762 align:middle line:84% Debra Gregerman is a poet, painter, and teacher 00:00:06.762 --> 00:00:08.220 align:middle line:84% in the writing and creative writing 00:00:08.220 --> 00:00:10.260 align:middle line:84% programs at the University of Arizona 00:00:10.260 --> 00:00:12.720 align:middle line:90% where she received her MFA. 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:16.260 align:middle line:84% Her work has long been inspired by Jane Miller, friend 00:00:16.260 --> 00:00:19.560 align:middle line:84% and mentor, in the arts and in life. 00:00:19.560 --> 00:00:22.052 align:middle line:90% Debra. 00:00:22.052 --> 00:00:24.004 align:middle line:90% [APPLAUSE] 00:00:24.004 --> 00:00:36.720 align:middle line:90% 00:00:36.720 --> 00:00:39.150 align:middle line:90% Hi. 00:00:39.150 --> 00:00:42.270 align:middle line:84% I would also like to say that as I'm sitting here 00:00:42.270 --> 00:00:44.820 align:middle line:84% thinking about introducing Jane, which I will do in just 00:00:44.820 --> 00:00:47.940 align:middle line:84% a minute, having listened to Steve's beautiful poems 00:00:47.940 --> 00:00:51.540 align:middle line:84% that this is kind of my poetry family. 00:00:51.540 --> 00:00:53.700 align:middle line:84% And having heard Danny's introduction-- 00:00:53.700 --> 00:00:54.960 align:middle line:90% Danny was a student of mine. 00:00:54.960 --> 00:01:01.892 align:middle line:84% I came here to study with Steve and Jane and Jon Anderson, 00:01:01.892 --> 00:01:02.850 align:middle line:90% who I'm thinking about. 00:01:02.850 --> 00:01:07.210 align:middle line:90% 00:01:07.210 --> 00:01:09.790 align:middle line:84% I wrote way too much about introducing Jane. 00:01:09.790 --> 00:01:12.940 align:middle line:84% It's kind of like-- it reminded me a little bit about when 00:01:12.940 --> 00:01:17.770 align:middle line:84% I introduced my father at his 75th birthday party 00:01:17.770 --> 00:01:21.310 align:middle line:84% to colleagues who knew him, people who didn't know him very 00:01:21.310 --> 00:01:23.080 align:middle line:90% well, and to my own family. 00:01:23.080 --> 00:01:26.440 align:middle line:84% It became this gargantuan task of trying 00:01:26.440 --> 00:01:29.650 align:middle line:84% to put into words something that is like breathing. 00:01:29.650 --> 00:01:32.200 align:middle line:84% You know somebody who's worked so well 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:34.960 align:middle line:90% and somebody's person over time. 00:01:34.960 --> 00:01:37.720 align:middle line:90% 00:01:37.720 --> 00:01:40.330 align:middle line:84% And you can write and write and write and somehow, all of it 00:01:40.330 --> 00:01:41.622 align:middle line:90% and none of it makes any sense. 00:01:41.622 --> 00:01:43.870 align:middle line:84% So I'm really glad and thank Steve for his poems 00:01:43.870 --> 00:01:46.450 align:middle line:84% that he got over this-- he introduced 00:01:46.450 --> 00:01:50.578 align:middle line:84% the idea of juvenilia and dirt, so that if I say anything that 00:01:50.578 --> 00:01:52.120 align:middle line:84% crosses that territory, which I don't 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:54.970 align:middle line:84% plan to say too much that way, that's already taken care of. 00:01:54.970 --> 00:01:57.640 align:middle line:90% 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:00.340 align:middle line:84% I'll give you the objective bit of information first 00:02:00.340 --> 00:02:02.890 align:middle line:84% for those of you who don't know Jane and her work. 00:02:02.890 --> 00:02:06.520 align:middle line:84% She's been on the faculty here, as Gail pointed out, 00:02:06.520 --> 00:02:09.520 align:middle line:84% and been a great inspiration to a lot of people 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:12.610 align:middle line:84% for a very long time here and out in the world of poetry 00:02:12.610 --> 00:02:13.990 align:middle line:90% at large. 00:02:13.990 --> 00:02:17.740 align:middle line:84% She is the author of many, many books of poetry, and prose, 00:02:17.740 --> 00:02:25.300 align:middle line:84% and genre-undefined poeticness, the most recent of which 00:02:25.300 --> 00:02:28.840 align:middle line:84% I believe she will read to you from today, although she may 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:33.160 align:middle line:84% read do other things as well, called 00:02:33.160 --> 00:02:37.510 align:middle line:84% Midnights, which is a beautiful book published by Saturnalia, 00:02:37.510 --> 00:02:42.160 align:middle line:84% accompanied with the drawings of the sculptor 00:02:42.160 --> 00:02:43.510 align:middle line:90% and painter, Beverly Pepper. 00:02:43.510 --> 00:02:45.590 align:middle line:90% It's a beautiful book. 00:02:45.590 --> 00:02:49.750 align:middle line:84% I'm not going to read to you her poems or any of her own words 00:02:49.750 --> 00:02:52.807 align:middle line:84% because she will give them to you herself. 00:02:52.807 --> 00:02:55.390 align:middle line:84% One of the things that I'm-- so I'm going to tell you a couple 00:02:55.390 --> 00:02:58.420 align:middle line:84% of little stories and things that matter a lot to me about 00:02:58.420 --> 00:03:01.960 align:middle line:90% Jane's work and her person. 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:05.980 align:middle line:84% A central question, not necessarily dirty 00:03:05.980 --> 00:03:11.410 align:middle line:84% at all, of desire that has been a conversation that we have 00:03:11.410 --> 00:03:15.280 align:middle line:84% been involved in personally and poetically 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:19.940 align:middle line:84% for the time that we've known each other almost 20 years now 00:03:19.940 --> 00:03:20.828 align:middle line:90% and what that means. 00:03:20.828 --> 00:03:22.870 align:middle line:84% When I was a graduate student, it meant something 00:03:22.870 --> 00:03:26.380 align:middle line:84% that my friend Becky Byrkit called the something something 00:03:26.380 --> 00:03:27.160 align:middle line:90% something-- 00:03:27.160 --> 00:03:28.577 align:middle line:84% I don't know how many somethings-- 00:03:28.577 --> 00:03:30.460 align:middle line:84% of desire, which meant that it was 00:03:30.460 --> 00:03:32.590 align:middle line:84% the word of poetic fashion of the day, which 00:03:32.590 --> 00:03:36.533 align:middle line:84% we made lots of fun of as ironic young poetry students. 00:03:36.533 --> 00:03:38.200 align:middle line:84% Of course, we didn't have to really name 00:03:38.200 --> 00:03:43.840 align:middle line:84% what desire was because desire for us was available 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.660 align:middle line:84% all the time, probably hard to turn off 00:03:46.660 --> 00:03:49.660 align:middle line:84% and meant getting laid, or hanging out with somebody, 00:03:49.660 --> 00:03:53.470 align:middle line:90% or longing for something. 00:03:53.470 --> 00:03:56.320 align:middle line:84% But that's not ever really what I thought 00:03:56.320 --> 00:03:58.360 align:middle line:84% it was in Jane's work, although she 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:01.660 align:middle line:84% seemed to have all the youth to make me think that she would 00:04:01.660 --> 00:04:04.960 align:middle line:84% never be anything other than what a graduate student might 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:07.240 align:middle line:84% grow up to be, which maybe looked five years older 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:10.930 align:middle line:84% with big head of brown hair and an ability 00:04:10.930 --> 00:04:14.200 align:middle line:84% to sing her poems with her eyes closed to a room 00:04:14.200 --> 00:04:17.560 align:middle line:84% and put us all in a desirous trance. 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:21.110 align:middle line:84% But that turns out not to be what it is at all, 00:04:21.110 --> 00:04:27.190 align:middle line:84% nor is the conversation with desire ever really over, so. 00:04:27.190 --> 00:04:30.070 align:middle line:84% In thinking about that question, I thought, 00:04:30.070 --> 00:04:32.830 align:middle line:90% is it fair to paraphrase a poet? 00:04:32.830 --> 00:04:34.000 align:middle line:90% Probably not. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.790 align:middle line:84% She might have to read you this little tiny poem, which 00:04:36.790 --> 00:04:38.650 align:middle line:84% is why I was thinking of Jon, the poet 00:04:38.650 --> 00:04:43.090 align:middle line:84% that Jon introduced me to as a graduate student. 00:04:43.090 --> 00:04:46.270 align:middle line:84% This is not directly about Jane, but the idea 00:04:46.270 --> 00:04:48.817 align:middle line:84% in this tiny little poem, if I can find it, 00:04:48.817 --> 00:04:50.650 align:middle line:84% is something I want to address very quickly. 00:04:50.650 --> 00:04:51.670 align:middle line:90% I know I'm going on too long. 00:04:51.670 --> 00:04:53.260 align:middle line:84% I wrote too much and thought too much. 00:04:53.260 --> 00:04:54.677 align:middle line:84% So I'll tell you while I'm looking 00:04:54.677 --> 00:04:57.580 align:middle line:84% for it, what Jane told me to say when I introduced her 00:04:57.580 --> 00:04:59.590 align:middle line:84% which is, she's Eva, my daughter's 00:04:59.590 --> 00:05:01.600 align:middle line:90% favorite short person, so. 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.440 align:middle line:90% 00:05:04.440 --> 00:05:06.870 align:middle line:90% And that's true. 00:05:06.870 --> 00:05:10.630 align:middle line:84% Now I can't find it, so I will paraphrase it. 00:05:10.630 --> 00:05:13.035 align:middle line:90% In a little tiny poem-- 00:05:13.035 --> 00:05:15.660 align:middle line:90% no, here it is-- 00:05:15.660 --> 00:05:18.090 align:middle line:84% by David Ignatow, called "Like a Lie." 00:05:18.090 --> 00:05:20.850 align:middle line:84% "In myself, I speak the language of love, 00:05:20.850 --> 00:05:23.340 align:middle line:84% and to the outside of practical matters 00:05:23.340 --> 00:05:27.870 align:middle line:84% because I do not wish to make the truth sound like a lie." 00:05:27.870 --> 00:05:30.600 align:middle line:84% That's something Jane never does. 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.960 align:middle line:84% And as for the piece about desire, 00:05:33.960 --> 00:05:37.410 align:middle line:84% instead of going on and on, I want to give you Jane. 00:05:37.410 --> 00:05:39.400 align:middle line:84% The conversation about desire includes-- 00:05:39.400 --> 00:05:42.510 align:middle line:84% and these are some of the things that I was thinking about-- 00:05:42.510 --> 00:05:45.510 align:middle line:84% has included, over time, way more than what I thought it was 00:05:45.510 --> 00:05:50.070 align:middle line:84% as a graduate student, disappointment, and fear, 00:05:50.070 --> 00:05:54.790 align:middle line:84% a gripping loneliness we cannot sometimes soothe by anything 00:05:54.790 --> 00:05:56.920 align:middle line:84% other than witness and compassion. 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:01.570 align:middle line:84% How to recognize in ourselves and forgive sometimes, 00:06:01.570 --> 00:06:06.340 align:middle line:84% I guess, the unimpeachable brutality and transgressions we 00:06:06.340 --> 00:06:11.920 align:middle line:84% sometimes partake of, sometimes willingly, sometimes not. 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:17.290 align:middle line:84% But the reason for this is so that desire can live again, 00:06:17.290 --> 00:06:20.500 align:middle line:84% to fall apart with grace to awaken to the task of prayer 00:06:20.500 --> 00:06:23.560 align:middle line:90% in the form of the every day. 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:25.510 align:middle line:84% To agree to be a student of openness 00:06:25.510 --> 00:06:29.410 align:middle line:84% and a teacher of openness, which Jane always is, 00:06:29.410 --> 00:06:32.260 align:middle line:90% to her students, especially. 00:06:32.260 --> 00:06:39.640 align:middle line:84% And lastly to know that the opposite of that irony, which 00:06:39.640 --> 00:06:42.760 align:middle line:84% she used to warn us against as a student as something always 00:06:42.760 --> 00:06:44.650 align:middle line:90% small, I didn't quite get it. 00:06:44.650 --> 00:06:48.400 align:middle line:84% I just thought of it aesthetically as small, 00:06:48.400 --> 00:06:51.460 align:middle line:84% but I've come to realize that what 00:06:51.460 --> 00:06:57.400 align:middle line:84% is meant by that is that eventually, that irony turns 00:06:57.400 --> 00:06:59.470 align:middle line:90% on oneself. 00:06:59.470 --> 00:07:01.780 align:middle line:90% And, in it is a box. 00:07:01.780 --> 00:07:05.870 align:middle line:84% And desire cannot live in that box for very long. 00:07:05.870 --> 00:07:12.100 align:middle line:84% So it becomes an indictment of its own making. 00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:14.020 align:middle line:84% And to have beauty of the kind you 00:07:14.020 --> 00:07:20.700 align:middle line:84% will experience when Jane reads to you is a form of gratitude 00:07:20.700 --> 00:07:22.980 align:middle line:84% and a form of gratitude to desire, 00:07:22.980 --> 00:07:25.740 align:middle line:84% not easy, not without sacrifice, and certainly 00:07:25.740 --> 00:07:28.260 align:middle line:90% not what it was at 25. 00:07:28.260 --> 00:07:30.450 align:middle line:84% I give you Jane Miller and her beautiful work. 00:07:30.450 --> 00:07:32.500 align:middle line:90% [APPLAUSE] 00:07:32.500 --> 00:07:33.000 align:middle line:90%