WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.220 align:middle line:90% 00:00:02.220 --> 00:00:04.410 align:middle line:90% Vickie, that's awesome news. 00:00:04.410 --> 00:00:06.750 align:middle line:84% This makes me very excited, almost as excited 00:00:06.750 --> 00:00:08.550 align:middle line:90% as the piñata. 00:00:08.550 --> 00:00:10.260 align:middle line:90% Close, but not quite. 00:00:10.260 --> 00:00:13.240 align:middle line:90% 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:16.270 align:middle line:84% So for every writer there is a moment 00:00:16.270 --> 00:00:19.000 align:middle line:84% of permission, where she realizes 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:21.280 align:middle line:84% that the kind of story she wants to write 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:24.070 align:middle line:90% isn't what she's writing yet. 00:00:24.070 --> 00:00:26.890 align:middle line:84% Maybe the leap is more obvious for a fiction writer who's 00:00:26.890 --> 00:00:30.370 align:middle line:84% stuck in hand-me-down literary realism, 00:00:30.370 --> 00:00:33.640 align:middle line:84% yet to make the leap into magic or strangeness, what 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:37.480 align:middle line:84% Kelly Link calls weird shit, for lack of a term that doesn't 00:00:37.480 --> 00:00:40.000 align:middle line:84% auto classify a story into genre, 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.250 align:middle line:84% like fantasy or sci-fi on account 00:00:42.250 --> 00:00:45.760 align:middle line:84% of the verisimilitude of a story's conceit. 00:00:45.760 --> 00:00:51.370 align:middle line:84% I've always wanted to use the word verisimilitude and kickass 00:00:51.370 --> 00:00:52.420 align:middle line:90% in an introduction. 00:00:52.420 --> 00:00:53.710 align:middle line:90% Now I've done it. 00:00:53.710 --> 00:00:55.750 align:middle line:90% Kick ass. 00:00:55.750 --> 00:00:59.680 align:middle line:84% Perhaps it's the sleeplessness that gives some of us 00:00:59.680 --> 00:01:00.610 align:middle line:90% permission. 00:01:00.610 --> 00:01:03.430 align:middle line:84% The hypnagogic or hypnopompic states 00:01:03.430 --> 00:01:06.670 align:middle line:84% that we slide into on either edge of sleep 00:01:06.670 --> 00:01:09.490 align:middle line:84% tend to erode the ways in which daylight 00:01:09.490 --> 00:01:12.250 align:middle line:84% and the usual attention can limit us. 00:01:12.250 --> 00:01:15.580 align:middle line:84% Robert Owen Butler calls this compositional place, 00:01:15.580 --> 00:01:18.070 align:middle line:90% the place from where you dream. 00:01:18.070 --> 00:01:21.610 align:middle line:84% There are lots of ways to get there, including having a baby, 00:01:21.610 --> 00:01:24.070 align:middle line:84% after which a great deal seems possible 00:01:24.070 --> 00:01:26.260 align:middle line:90% and also beyond possibility. 00:01:26.260 --> 00:01:30.280 align:middle line:84% Or perhaps some things just seem acceptable that did not before, 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:31.820 align:middle line:90% and others don't. 00:01:31.820 --> 00:01:33.050 align:middle line:90% The world flips. 00:01:33.050 --> 00:01:35.290 align:middle line:84% It's a little like that time that gravity 00:01:35.290 --> 00:01:37.370 align:middle line:90% just stopped working. 00:01:37.370 --> 00:01:40.240 align:middle line:84% Or writing upon waking is another option, 00:01:40.240 --> 00:01:45.130 align:middle line:84% as Erin tells the Kenyon Review she did while commuting 00:01:45.130 --> 00:01:46.960 align:middle line:90% to work in New York City. 00:01:46.960 --> 00:01:48.940 align:middle line:84% Any insomniac could tell you that you 00:01:48.940 --> 00:01:51.370 align:middle line:84% get into some strange layers of consciousness 00:01:51.370 --> 00:01:53.530 align:middle line:90% going sleepless too. 00:01:53.530 --> 00:01:57.190 align:middle line:84% Sometimes that permission can come in the form of advice 00:01:57.190 --> 00:01:58.540 align:middle line:90% from a trusted mentor. 00:01:58.540 --> 00:02:02.200 align:middle line:84% In Erin's case, Robin Black handing down some real truth, 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.640 align:middle line:84% asking her, why do you think you need to write like this? 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:09.639 align:middle line:84% "This" meaning normal/realist stories. 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:13.690 align:middle line:84% So a workshop followed that, encouraging her to go weirder. 00:02:13.690 --> 00:02:15.970 align:middle line:84% Or sometimes permission is granted 00:02:15.970 --> 00:02:19.120 align:middle line:84% by reading the right story at the right time, 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:21.670 align:middle line:84% as in William H. Gass's In the Heart 00:02:21.670 --> 00:02:23.350 align:middle line:84% of the Heart of the Country, a story 00:02:23.350 --> 00:02:26.830 align:middle line:84% that one of Erin's in her book writes back at. 00:02:26.830 --> 00:02:31.240 align:middle line:84% Sex can do it too in how it transports and transcends, 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:34.180 align:middle line:84% at its rare best anyway, and there's 00:02:34.180 --> 00:02:36.850 align:middle line:84% lots of sex in her stories, some of which 00:02:36.850 --> 00:02:39.070 align:middle line:90% you'll probably hear tonight. 00:02:39.070 --> 00:02:42.070 align:middle line:84% But one of the cool things about Erin's work 00:02:42.070 --> 00:02:43.990 align:middle line:84% is that it's not just her stories that 00:02:43.990 --> 00:02:45.970 align:middle line:84% give us permission to make it weird, 00:02:45.970 --> 00:02:48.250 align:middle line:90% but her editorial work too. 00:02:48.250 --> 00:02:51.250 align:middle line:84% With her husband Justin, she founded and edits the journal 00:02:51.250 --> 00:02:54.370 align:middle line:84% Waxwing, which publishes stories about nude modeling 00:02:54.370 --> 00:02:57.460 align:middle line:84% and telekinesis, though, unfortunately, not 00:02:57.460 --> 00:02:59.170 align:middle line:90% yet in the same story. 00:02:59.170 --> 00:03:00.100 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:03:00.100 --> 00:03:01.780 align:middle line:84% Perhaps you'll take that as a challenge. 00:03:01.780 --> 00:03:03.430 align:middle line:90% I would recommend that you do. 00:03:03.430 --> 00:03:05.170 align:middle line:84% Those are both from the newest issue. 00:03:05.170 --> 00:03:06.910 align:middle line:90% It's a really good magazine. 00:03:06.910 --> 00:03:10.420 align:middle line:84% So clearly nude modeling and telekinesis 00:03:10.420 --> 00:03:13.840 align:middle line:84% are your answer to getting published in Waxwing. 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:14.950 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:03:14.950 --> 00:03:17.170 align:middle line:84% I'm writing this introduction after midnight 00:03:17.170 --> 00:03:19.480 align:middle line:84% knowing I'll be up pretty early anyway, 00:03:19.480 --> 00:03:22.330 align:middle line:84% using the last bit of what literary force remains 00:03:22.330 --> 00:03:23.920 align:middle line:90% to me in the day. 00:03:23.920 --> 00:03:26.740 align:middle line:84% This introduction isn't that weird, though, yet, is it? 00:03:26.740 --> 00:03:30.820 align:middle line:84% But the fact that it's attached to a piñata kind of like adds 00:03:30.820 --> 00:03:31.960 align:middle line:90% to that. 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.150 align:middle line:90% Maybe I'm doing it wrong. 00:03:34.150 --> 00:03:38.260 align:middle line:84% I'm sure that Erin will show us now how to do it right. 00:03:38.260 --> 00:03:42.040 align:middle line:84% Her first book And Yet It Moves is just out from Indiana 00:03:42.040 --> 00:03:43.360 align:middle line:90% University Press. 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:47.200 align:middle line:84% She has some degrees, and is published well. 00:03:47.200 --> 00:03:49.930 align:middle line:84% She's a good writer and an interesting person. 00:03:49.930 --> 00:03:52.150 align:middle line:84% She teaches at Northern Arizona University. 00:03:52.150 --> 00:03:54.310 align:middle line:90% Please welcome Erin Stalcup. 00:03:54.310 --> 00:03:56.500 align:middle line:90% [APPLAUSE] 00:03:56.500 --> 00:03:57.000 align:middle line:90%