WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.220 align:middle line:84% You know, I'm glad you got that joke. 00:00:05.220 --> 00:00:06.900 align:middle line:84% So if I told that joke in Massachusetts, 00:00:06.900 --> 00:00:09.025 align:middle line:84% no one will know what the hell I was talking about. 00:00:09.025 --> 00:00:11.392 align:middle line:90% 00:00:11.392 --> 00:00:12.850 align:middle line:84% There are other things people don't 00:00:12.850 --> 00:00:16.550 align:middle line:90% understand in New England. 00:00:16.550 --> 00:00:20.230 align:middle line:84% For example, people in New England have never heard 00:00:20.230 --> 00:00:23.220 align:middle line:90% of Juan de Oñate. 00:00:23.220 --> 00:00:26.460 align:middle line:90% Ah, yes. 00:00:26.460 --> 00:00:32.780 align:middle line:84% People nowadays are up in arms about Confederate statues. 00:00:32.780 --> 00:00:38.590 align:middle line:84% Confederate statues being taken down, neo-Nazi marches 00:00:38.590 --> 00:00:41.680 align:middle line:84% to defend Confederate statues, but let's 00:00:41.680 --> 00:00:45.070 align:middle line:84% not forget there are other statues in this country too. 00:00:45.070 --> 00:00:50.290 align:middle line:84% Statues of conquistadors, that not only are still up, but keep 00:00:50.290 --> 00:00:51.625 align:middle line:90% increasing in number. 00:00:51.625 --> 00:00:56.130 align:middle line:90% 00:00:56.130 --> 00:01:01.930 align:middle line:84% I went and visited the novelist John Nichols in Taos 00:01:01.930 --> 00:01:03.129 align:middle line:90% some years ago. 00:01:03.129 --> 00:01:04.629 align:middle line:84% And he said, you've got to see this. 00:01:04.629 --> 00:01:05.540 align:middle line:90% You got to see this. 00:01:05.540 --> 00:01:09.192 align:middle line:84% So we pulled off in a town called Alcalde, 00:01:09.192 --> 00:01:13.740 align:middle line:84% where we went to see the statue of this conquistador, 00:01:13.740 --> 00:01:15.660 align:middle line:90% named Juan de Oñate. 00:01:15.660 --> 00:01:20.430 align:middle line:84% And amazingly, someone, person or persons unknown, 00:01:20.430 --> 00:01:26.360 align:middle line:84% had taken a chainsaw and cut off his right foot! 00:01:26.360 --> 00:01:28.790 align:middle line:84% He said, look, isn't this amazing? 00:01:28.790 --> 00:01:29.345 align:middle line:90% I said, yeah. 00:01:29.345 --> 00:01:32.520 align:middle line:90% 00:01:32.520 --> 00:01:35.680 align:middle line:84% And then maybe a year or two later, 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:38.010 align:middle line:84% I got a ride to the airport in El Paso, 00:01:38.010 --> 00:01:43.448 align:middle line:84% from a Chicano scholar named Arturo Madrid, 00:01:43.448 --> 00:01:44.990 align:middle line:84% and Arturo brought me to the airport. 00:01:44.990 --> 00:01:49.110 align:middle line:84% He said, wait, before you get on the plane you got to see this. 00:01:49.110 --> 00:01:54.290 align:middle line:84% And he showed me another statue of Juan de Oñate, 00:01:54.290 --> 00:01:56.930 align:middle line:90% bigger than the last one. 00:01:56.930 --> 00:01:59.810 align:middle line:84% I said, what, they're making more of them? 00:01:59.810 --> 00:02:02.670 align:middle line:90% And they're larger? 00:02:02.670 --> 00:02:06.120 align:middle line:84% Because this man was not just a discoverer, 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.789 align:middle line:84% the so-called discoverer of New Mexico. 00:02:08.789 --> 00:02:12.900 align:middle line:84% He was a conquistador, which is to say he was a killer. 00:02:12.900 --> 00:02:16.110 align:middle line:84% And there was a reason why someone sliced off 00:02:16.110 --> 00:02:18.480 align:middle line:90% his right foot in the dark. 00:02:18.480 --> 00:02:24.650 align:middle line:84% So this is the poem that I call "A Tale Of Two Statues," 00:02:24.650 --> 00:02:28.460 align:middle line:84% also known as "The Right Foot of Juan de Oñate," 00:02:28.460 --> 00:02:30.470 align:middle line:84% for John Nichols and Arturo Madrid. 00:02:30.470 --> 00:02:33.510 align:middle line:90% 00:02:33.510 --> 00:02:37.920 align:middle line:84% On the road to Taos, in the town of Alcalde, 00:02:37.920 --> 00:02:41.880 align:middle line:84% the bronze statue of Juan de Oñate, the conquistador, 00:02:41.880 --> 00:02:44.040 align:middle line:90% kept vigil from his horse. 00:02:44.040 --> 00:02:48.300 align:middle line:84% Late one night, a chainsaw sliced off his right foot, 00:02:48.300 --> 00:02:52.320 align:middle line:84% stuttering to the bowl of his ankle as Oñate's spirit 00:02:52.320 --> 00:02:58.280 align:middle line:84% scratched and howled, like a dog trapped within the bronze body. 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:03.770 align:middle line:84% Four centuries ago, after his cannon fire burst to burn 00:03:03.770 --> 00:03:07.460 align:middle line:84% hundreds of bodies and blackened the adobe walls the Acoma 00:03:07.460 --> 00:03:12.140 align:middle line:84% Pueblo, Oñate wheeled on his startled horse and spoke 00:03:12.140 --> 00:03:13.370 align:middle line:90% the decree. 00:03:13.370 --> 00:03:17.240 align:middle line:84% All Acoma males above the age of 25 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:21.230 align:middle line:84% would be punished by amputation of the right foot. 00:03:21.230 --> 00:03:23.870 align:middle line:84% Spanish knives sawed through ankles, 00:03:23.870 --> 00:03:27.770 align:middle line:84% Spanish hands tossed feet into piles like fish 00:03:27.770 --> 00:03:29.210 align:middle line:90% at the marketplace. 00:03:29.210 --> 00:03:35.640 align:middle line:84% There was prayer, and wailing in a language Oñate did not speak. 00:03:35.640 --> 00:03:40.960 align:middle line:84% Now, at the airport at El Paso, across the river from Juarez, 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:45.780 align:middle line:84% another bronze statue of Oñate rises on a horse frozen 00:03:45.780 --> 00:03:46.830 align:middle line:90% in fury. 00:03:46.830 --> 00:03:51.270 align:middle line:84% The city fathers smash champagne bottles across the horse's legs 00:03:51.270 --> 00:03:54.630 align:middle line:84% to christen the statue and Oñate's spirit remembers 00:03:54.630 --> 00:03:58.500 align:middle line:84% the chainsaw carving the ball of his ankle. 00:03:58.500 --> 00:04:01.890 align:middle line:90% The Acoma Pueblo still stands. 00:04:01.890 --> 00:04:06.330 align:middle line:84% Thousands of brown feet walk across the border, the desert 00:04:06.330 --> 00:04:09.435 align:middle line:84% of Chihuahua, the shallow places of the Rio Grande 00:04:09.435 --> 00:04:12.640 align:middle line:84% that bridges from Juarez to El Paso. 00:04:12.640 --> 00:04:18.000 align:middle line:84% Oñate keeps watch high on horseback above the Rio Grande, 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:21.720 align:middle line:84% the law of the conquistador rolled in his hand. 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:26.100 align:middle line:84% Helpless as a man with an amputated foot spirit 00:04:26.100 --> 00:04:31.970 align:middle line:84% scratching and howling like a dog within the bronze body. 00:04:31.970 --> 00:04:35.000 align:middle line:90%