WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.650 align:middle line:90% 00:00:01.650 --> 00:00:05.370 align:middle line:84% I have a question for just the format of the book. 00:00:05.370 --> 00:00:08.580 align:middle line:84% Are these pictures inside the book 00:00:08.580 --> 00:00:11.190 align:middle line:84% or did you just include them for the presentation? 00:00:11.190 --> 00:00:13.860 align:middle line:84% Yes, the pictures are inside the book. 00:00:13.860 --> 00:00:16.500 align:middle line:90% They're in black and white. 00:00:16.500 --> 00:00:18.750 align:middle line:84% The other question I had was, did you 00:00:18.750 --> 00:00:23.760 align:middle line:84% have any say in the design of the broadside? 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:28.950 align:middle line:84% I talked with the designer who I've 00:00:28.950 --> 00:00:33.330 align:middle line:84% known for a while, Crane Giamo, and I told him 00:00:33.330 --> 00:00:37.680 align:middle line:84% what page I thought might be a good page to work with. 00:00:37.680 --> 00:00:41.190 align:middle line:84% Letterpress broadside is time consuming, 00:00:41.190 --> 00:00:44.460 align:middle line:84% and so I wanted to choose a page that had enough text so 00:00:44.460 --> 00:00:46.860 align:middle line:84% that you could see a little bit with the poems 00:00:46.860 --> 00:00:50.640 align:middle line:84% I like, but not so much that it would be really cumbersome. 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:56.880 align:middle line:84% And after that, Crane made all of the other artistic 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:01.560 align:middle line:84% decisions, and it's incredibly beautiful to me 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:07.800 align:middle line:84% because I think it helps me to see the poems in a new way 00:01:07.800 --> 00:01:11.040 align:middle line:84% when I'm used to seeing them only in one way. 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:12.630 align:middle line:90% Exactly. 00:01:12.630 --> 00:01:14.800 align:middle line:84% And how about the publicity card? 00:01:14.800 --> 00:01:16.560 align:middle line:90% Did you have a say in that? 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:18.580 align:middle line:84% What do you think about the publicity card? 00:01:18.580 --> 00:01:19.470 align:middle line:90% Mhm. 00:01:19.470 --> 00:01:21.030 align:middle line:84% I think it is beautiful, and it is 00:01:21.030 --> 00:01:25.030 align:middle line:84% thanks to my colleagues, Hannah and Sarah Gzemski. 00:01:25.030 --> 00:01:26.670 align:middle line:90% [INTERPOSING VOICES] 00:01:26.670 --> 00:01:31.050 align:middle line:84% The design was made I think by Jared Schickling of Delete 00:01:31.050 --> 00:01:36.600 align:middle line:84% Press, and it's based on an image of the eucalyptus 00:01:36.600 --> 00:01:42.460 align:middle line:84% in Reid Park, which is a very interesting eucalyptus. 00:01:42.460 --> 00:01:44.880 align:middle line:84% So I had taken a couple photos of that eucalyptus 00:01:44.880 --> 00:01:50.388 align:middle line:84% because it's very large, and I was interested in the size. 00:01:50.388 --> 00:01:51.930 align:middle line:84% A lot of the images that you saw here 00:01:51.930 --> 00:01:56.640 align:middle line:84% were actually images of parts of trees 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:59.760 align:middle line:90% because they're super tall. 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.280 align:middle line:84% You know, that ponderosa pine, it looks so tall, 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.990 align:middle line:84% but we were really only seeing the bottom half of that tree. 00:02:04.990 --> 00:02:10.050 align:middle line:84% So Jared took that image, one of the images of the eucalyptus. 00:02:10.050 --> 00:02:12.420 align:middle line:90% And one last question. 00:02:12.420 --> 00:02:15.690 align:middle line:84% How did you go about choosing the trees out 00:02:15.690 --> 00:02:18.010 align:middle line:90% of all the trees in Tucson? 00:02:18.010 --> 00:02:19.830 align:middle line:84% How did you go about choo-- like, 00:02:19.830 --> 00:02:23.910 align:middle line:90% what criteria did you use? 00:02:23.910 --> 00:02:25.500 align:middle line:90% I felt very strange. 00:02:25.500 --> 00:02:31.530 align:middle line:84% The whole project has felt very strange. 00:02:31.530 --> 00:02:38.460 align:middle line:84% This idea of choosing a theme, or as being representative 00:02:38.460 --> 00:02:42.845 align:middle line:84% of something amongst other beings, is very strange, 00:02:42.845 --> 00:02:44.220 align:middle line:84% and as you probably heard, I have 00:02:44.220 --> 00:02:46.620 align:middle line:90% a lot of qualms about that. 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:50.370 align:middle line:84% I had a lot of quarrels with myself 00:02:50.370 --> 00:02:55.680 align:middle line:84% about that, but I was looking at trees 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:03.660 align:middle line:84% that had different elevations, different communities of life 00:03:03.660 --> 00:03:05.320 align:middle line:90% in Tucson, different-- 00:03:05.320 --> 00:03:10.410 align:middle line:84% For example, a forest community, a desert community, 00:03:10.410 --> 00:03:18.210 align:middle line:84% an indoors ecosystem, a place where 00:03:18.210 --> 00:03:23.400 align:middle line:84% a tree was indigenous to another place, for example eucalyptus 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:25.890 align:middle line:84% is primarily indigenous to Australia, 00:03:25.890 --> 00:03:28.950 align:middle line:84% but it grows very well in Reid Park, 00:03:28.950 --> 00:03:33.670 align:middle line:84% and I thought about those different ecological 00:03:33.670 --> 00:03:34.170 align:middle line:90% communities. 00:03:34.170 --> 00:03:35.950 align:middle line:90% I wanted to represent them. 00:03:35.950 --> 00:03:38.940 align:middle line:84% So that's what I did first, and my research assistant, 00:03:38.940 --> 00:03:40.840 align:middle line:84% Eric Magrane helped me with that. 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:44.565 align:middle line:84% And I also looked at different natural histories, for example. 00:03:44.565 --> 00:03:47.100 align:middle line:90% 00:03:47.100 --> 00:03:51.750 align:middle line:84% And then, I thought about what trees might commonly 00:03:51.750 --> 00:03:52.650 align:middle line:90% be found there. 00:03:52.650 --> 00:03:54.630 align:middle line:84% And there was one time when I was all 00:03:54.630 --> 00:03:59.490 align:middle line:84% set to go down to talk with a sycamore, 00:03:59.490 --> 00:04:01.410 align:middle line:84% and we showed up to the place where 00:04:01.410 --> 00:04:03.010 align:middle line:84% I was expecting I'd see a sycamore 00:04:03.010 --> 00:04:06.810 align:middle line:84% but there were no sycamores there because I made a mistake. 00:04:06.810 --> 00:04:09.480 align:middle line:84% It was the right kind of community for a sycamore, 00:04:09.480 --> 00:04:13.150 align:middle line:90% and yet, they were not present. 00:04:13.150 --> 00:04:19.709 align:middle line:84% So one time I ended up working with a totally different tree 00:04:19.709 --> 00:04:20.430 align:middle line:90% than I thought. 00:04:20.430 --> 00:04:23.270 align:middle line:90% 00:04:23.270 --> 00:04:24.980 align:middle line:84% And thank you for your questions. 00:04:24.980 --> 00:04:30.570 align:middle line:90% 00:04:30.570 --> 00:04:32.960 align:middle line:84% I just want to thank you both for your readings. 00:04:32.960 --> 00:04:35.960 align:middle line:84% I just have a question for both of you. 00:04:35.960 --> 00:04:39.740 align:middle line:90% 00:04:39.740 --> 00:04:41.840 align:middle line:84% I'm wondering what it felt like to write 00:04:41.840 --> 00:04:44.240 align:middle line:84% these books because they both seem, 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:48.260 align:middle line:84% although they're so very different like anything, they 00:04:48.260 --> 00:04:50.600 align:middle line:90% both seem like you-- 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:55.010 align:middle line:84% they have a bit of art, performance installation 00:04:55.010 --> 00:04:57.110 align:middle line:84% kind of energy about them for me, at least 00:04:57.110 --> 00:04:59.720 align:middle line:84% in the sense of going to a space and creating 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:03.890 align:middle line:84% a space with something you find that's not really yourself 00:05:03.890 --> 00:05:05.340 align:middle line:90% and being aware of that. 00:05:05.340 --> 00:05:07.850 align:middle line:84% So I'm curious, I'm always interested in how something 00:05:07.850 --> 00:05:10.850 align:middle line:84% feels when you make it when I'm reading someone else's work. 00:05:10.850 --> 00:05:14.225 align:middle line:84% Maybe emotion doesn't come into it, but that's my question. 00:05:14.225 --> 00:05:20.510 align:middle line:90% 00:05:20.510 --> 00:05:23.960 align:middle line:84% So my book is largely a collage piece. 00:05:23.960 --> 00:05:30.140 align:middle line:84% There are long sections that I composed through like, I guess, 00:05:30.140 --> 00:05:36.320 align:middle line:84% meditating on a particular idea, but it's largely collage work. 00:05:36.320 --> 00:05:38.630 align:middle line:84% Even my own writing is collaged into other people, 00:05:38.630 --> 00:05:45.105 align:middle line:84% so it was like making a collage, very physical. 00:05:45.105 --> 00:05:45.605 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:05:45.605 --> 00:05:50.850 align:middle line:90% 00:05:50.850 --> 00:05:57.270 align:middle line:84% Performance applies to my book, and I 00:05:57.270 --> 00:06:08.550 align:middle line:84% would say that the experience of going to places that really 00:06:08.550 --> 00:06:12.510 align:middle line:84% make me feel good and interacting with, 00:06:12.510 --> 00:06:15.450 align:middle line:84% and listening to, and writing down 00:06:15.450 --> 00:06:21.360 align:middle line:84% the sounds and movements of beings and species that I think 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.360 align:middle line:84% are really wonderful, that felt great. 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:29.040 align:middle line:84% So the actual performative aspects of the project 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.700 align:middle line:84% were wonderful, and then everything else 00:06:32.700 --> 00:06:34.290 align:middle line:90% felt really weird. 00:06:34.290 --> 00:06:37.080 align:middle line:84% And I don't mean in the obvious way 00:06:37.080 --> 00:06:41.970 align:middle line:84% that you would think of like, oh she was talking to trees. 00:06:41.970 --> 00:06:44.970 align:middle line:84% Does she know what trees are saying, you know? 00:06:44.970 --> 00:06:50.910 align:middle line:84% Now I have to say, I think you saw from what I said where 00:06:50.910 --> 00:06:57.120 align:middle line:84% we're not with that subject, that I don't translate 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:03.210 align:middle line:84% what trees are saying, but that I transcribed what I perceived 00:07:03.210 --> 00:07:06.150 align:middle line:84% that I saw them doing and what I heard in the environment. 00:07:06.150 --> 00:07:10.680 align:middle line:84% But all the other stuff that I find 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:14.720 align:middle line:84% is implicated in research of any kind 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:21.900 align:middle line:84% and in interviews in questioning really I 00:07:21.900 --> 00:07:27.210 align:middle line:90% just still feel uncomfortable. 00:07:27.210 --> 00:07:31.830 align:middle line:84% And so I would say that actually working on the writing 00:07:31.830 --> 00:07:38.410 align:middle line:84% felt really, really good, and then everything else 00:07:38.410 --> 00:07:44.685 align:middle line:84% I will probably always question myself about and not 00:07:44.685 --> 00:07:46.060 align:middle line:84% be able to make up my mind about. 00:07:46.060 --> 00:07:53.620 align:middle line:90% 00:07:53.620 --> 00:07:56.090 align:middle line:90% Thank you for your question. 00:07:56.090 --> 00:07:57.670 align:middle line:84% I have one question for each of you, 00:07:57.670 --> 00:08:00.460 align:middle line:90% and they're related questions. 00:08:00.460 --> 00:08:03.790 align:middle line:84% Your projects are really creative and interesting. 00:08:03.790 --> 00:08:08.350 align:middle line:84% And my questions really are about aspects of-- 00:08:08.350 --> 00:08:10.760 align:middle line:84% somewhat related to the previous question. 00:08:10.760 --> 00:08:16.660 align:middle line:84% So Renee, let me ask you, the conceit of discovering Joseph 00:08:16.660 --> 00:08:19.960 align:middle line:90% Smith's pages that he lost-- 00:08:19.960 --> 00:08:22.570 align:middle line:84% and I gather that he found them in the desert 00:08:22.570 --> 00:08:25.810 align:middle line:90% and that they were on charts-- 00:08:25.810 --> 00:08:29.440 align:middle line:84% and I'm wondering when you had that idea of what 00:08:29.440 --> 00:08:33.039 align:middle line:90% they would be like. 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.539 align:middle line:84% And as you were entering into that imaginatively-- 00:08:37.539 --> 00:08:38.620 align:middle line:90% you have a lot of pages. 00:08:38.620 --> 00:08:40.929 align:middle line:90% What was the scale in your mind? 00:08:40.929 --> 00:08:44.200 align:middle line:90% Were they clay? 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:47.410 align:middle line:90% Were they in English? 00:08:47.410 --> 00:08:50.320 align:middle line:90% How did you imagine? 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:55.900 align:middle line:84% As a Mormon, how did you imagine what this document actually 00:08:55.900 --> 00:08:56.425 align:middle line:90% was like? 00:08:56.425 --> 00:09:02.855 align:middle line:90% 00:09:02.855 --> 00:09:05.040 align:middle line:90% I don't remember. 00:09:05.040 --> 00:09:12.698 align:middle line:84% I think I imagined that it was like what Smith himself found, 00:09:12.698 --> 00:09:24.960 align:middle line:84% which you can Google and see lots of different things that 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:26.750 align:middle line:90% they weren't-- 00:09:26.750 --> 00:09:29.170 align:middle line:90% well, who knows what they were? 00:09:29.170 --> 00:09:35.810 align:middle line:84% Well, [INAUDIBLE] I imagined that they 00:09:35.810 --> 00:09:42.980 align:middle line:84% were what Smith himself found, which were Kinderhook plates, 00:09:42.980 --> 00:09:46.730 align:middle line:84% and then he also found some Egyptian papyri. 00:09:46.730 --> 00:09:48.030 align:middle line:90% And the dog found them too. 00:09:48.030 --> 00:09:48.530 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:09:48.530 --> 00:09:51.080 align:middle line:90% 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:54.800 align:middle line:84% Well, you'll see why my question for Wendy is related. 00:09:54.800 --> 00:09:58.190 align:middle line:84% Wendy, as you were interviewing your subjects, 00:09:58.190 --> 00:10:01.490 align:middle line:84% I was interested in that all your subjects were trees 00:10:01.490 --> 00:10:04.670 align:middle line:84% but they're also all different species. 00:10:04.670 --> 00:10:06.740 align:middle line:90% And I wonder whether you-- 00:10:06.740 --> 00:10:10.010 align:middle line:84% I don't know enough about the individual species 00:10:10.010 --> 00:10:10.820 align:middle line:90% that you chose. 00:10:10.820 --> 00:10:15.800 align:middle line:84% I'm curious if any of them, if they were gendered or dimorphic 00:10:15.800 --> 00:10:21.440 align:middle line:84% and if you observed any gender differences between them. 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:25.550 align:middle line:90% And also if they're-- 00:10:25.550 --> 00:10:28.470 align:middle line:84% I don't know that ethnicity exactly applies. 00:10:28.470 --> 00:10:32.120 align:middle line:84% But if you think of them as being different species 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:35.540 align:middle line:84% within the family of trees, did you hear accents 00:10:35.540 --> 00:10:37.910 align:middle line:84% that you think were specific to a species? 00:10:37.910 --> 00:10:44.280 align:middle line:90% 00:10:44.280 --> 00:10:50.400 align:middle line:84% No, I didn't think about the gender of the trees 00:10:50.400 --> 00:10:55.460 align:middle line:84% and I didn't think about their relationship to other species. 00:10:55.460 --> 00:11:02.750 align:middle line:90% 00:11:02.750 --> 00:11:06.860 align:middle line:84% I think the ways in which gender and ethnicity maybe come 00:11:06.860 --> 00:11:10.460 align:middle line:84% into the project is that the interviews themselves maybe 00:11:10.460 --> 00:11:12.920 align:middle line:90% remind us-- 00:11:12.920 --> 00:11:15.830 align:middle line:84% and this is the part that is so weird for me-- 00:11:15.830 --> 00:11:20.690 align:middle line:84% they might remind us of other ways in which people as well 00:11:20.690 --> 00:11:25.010 align:middle line:84% as animals are objectified or you 00:11:25.010 --> 00:11:28.340 align:middle line:84% know there is that aspect of intrusiveness. 00:11:28.340 --> 00:11:30.650 align:middle line:84% In questioning which I mentioned when I asked you 00:11:30.650 --> 00:11:35.308 align:middle line:84% all how do you know-- when someone asks you a question, 00:11:35.308 --> 00:11:37.100 align:middle line:84% how do you make up your mind whether or not 00:11:37.100 --> 00:11:40.160 align:middle line:84% they want to hear your answer or if it's even a question? 00:11:40.160 --> 00:11:44.810 align:middle line:84% And we could all add to our own knowledge and experience 00:11:44.810 --> 00:11:50.060 align:middle line:84% of questions that are posed for the purpose of making 00:11:50.060 --> 00:11:53.360 align:middle line:84% the listener-- making the responder, I'll say, 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:56.480 align:middle line:84% feel uncomfortable or reminding them of something 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:00.620 align:middle line:84% about themselves or implying something about them 00:12:00.620 --> 00:12:04.650 align:middle line:90% or trying to label them. 00:12:04.650 --> 00:12:11.250 align:middle line:84% And so I think that asking those questions maybe-- 00:12:11.250 --> 00:12:13.200 align:middle line:84% asking all the questions that I asked 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.660 align:middle line:84% to the trees was really useful to me 00:12:15.660 --> 00:12:20.790 align:middle line:84% because it did make me think about how and why people 00:12:20.790 --> 00:12:24.120 align:middle line:90% question each other and the-- 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.505 align:middle line:84% even as we reach out to each other in curiosity 00:12:27.505 --> 00:12:29.130 align:middle line:84% and to make connections with each other 00:12:29.130 --> 00:12:34.860 align:middle line:84% by questioning that we also do sometimes 00:12:34.860 --> 00:12:39.030 align:middle line:84% make others uncomfortable through questions 00:12:39.030 --> 00:12:43.900 align:middle line:84% and that they are a vehicle for that. 00:12:43.900 --> 00:12:49.920 align:middle line:84% So there is a way in which your questions about gender 00:12:49.920 --> 00:12:55.860 align:middle line:84% and ethnicity is something that I really 00:12:55.860 --> 00:12:57.690 align:middle line:84% think about in relation to the project 00:12:57.690 --> 00:13:07.680 align:middle line:84% but not in my actual experience of trees or of those trees. 00:13:07.680 --> 00:13:10.440 align:middle line:90% Thank you for that question. 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:13.050 align:middle line:84% OK, we'll have time for two more questions here. 00:13:13.050 --> 00:13:15.640 align:middle line:90% 00:13:15.640 --> 00:13:16.140 align:middle line:90% Hi. 00:13:16.140 --> 00:13:17.367 align:middle line:90% This question is for Wendy. 00:13:17.367 --> 00:13:18.450 align:middle line:90% It's a technical question. 00:13:18.450 --> 00:13:21.840 align:middle line:90% 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:27.720 align:middle line:84% The punctuation, are you using that as motion transcription? 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:30.910 align:middle line:90% 00:13:30.910 --> 00:13:31.765 align:middle line:90% Yeah, mostly. 00:13:31.765 --> 00:13:34.930 align:middle line:90% 00:13:34.930 --> 00:13:41.140 align:middle line:84% Almost always the punctuation-- commas, semicolons, dashes, 00:13:41.140 --> 00:13:45.460 align:middle line:90% slashes, the colons, periods-- 00:13:45.460 --> 00:13:50.690 align:middle line:84% are almost always used as motions of some kind. 00:13:50.690 --> 00:13:54.940 align:middle line:84% And so when I wrote in my notebook, 00:13:54.940 --> 00:13:58.330 align:middle line:84% there is maybe a lot more variability 00:13:58.330 --> 00:14:03.880 align:middle line:84% because I was trying to draw a picture of what I was seeing. 00:14:03.880 --> 00:14:07.060 align:middle line:84% And then when I transcribed those into a computer, 00:14:07.060 --> 00:14:10.270 align:middle line:84% they lost I think a lot of that variability 00:14:10.270 --> 00:14:13.220 align:middle line:84% because they turned into punctuation marks. 00:14:13.220 --> 00:14:13.720 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.510 align:middle line:90% 00:14:16.510 --> 00:14:21.340 align:middle line:84% So these are more pictures that boiled down 00:14:21.340 --> 00:14:29.395 align:middle line:84% versus instructions for behaving as the tree behaved? 00:14:29.395 --> 00:14:32.170 align:middle line:90% 00:14:32.170 --> 00:14:32.770 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:14:32.770 --> 00:14:41.110 align:middle line:84% It is as if I were observing something moving and trying 00:14:41.110 --> 00:14:46.240 align:middle line:84% to write down in my notebook or draw in my notebook 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:49.270 align:middle line:84% a combination between those two what that movement looked 00:14:49.270 --> 00:14:53.140 align:middle line:84% like to me and then trying to reproduce that using 00:14:53.140 --> 00:14:55.530 align:middle line:90% mainly typographical symbols. 00:14:55.530 --> 00:14:57.942 align:middle line:90% 00:14:57.942 --> 00:14:59.650 align:middle line:84% And like I said, I think of them as being 00:14:59.650 --> 00:15:03.570 align:middle line:84% oriented horizontally in space and vertically in time. 00:15:03.570 --> 00:15:08.080 align:middle line:84% So some of the ways in which those punctuation marks are 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:13.392 align:middle line:84% separated might indicate a physical space between things 00:15:13.392 --> 00:15:15.100 align:middle line:84% that were happening, and then some of the 00:15:15.100 --> 00:15:20.770 align:middle line:84% up and down might indicate things that happen in sequence. 00:15:20.770 --> 00:15:24.140 align:middle line:90% Thank you for your question. 00:15:24.140 --> 00:15:25.590 align:middle line:90% Yeah, that was my question too. 00:15:25.590 --> 00:15:29.410 align:middle line:84% I'm particularly curious about the parentheses 00:15:29.410 --> 00:15:31.627 align:middle line:84% in terms of what does that represent too. 00:15:31.627 --> 00:15:34.632 align:middle line:90% 00:15:34.632 --> 00:15:36.840 align:middle line:84% And since I always say "Thank you for your question," 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:38.520 align:middle line:84% I'm going to say thank you, Arthur, for your question 00:15:38.520 --> 00:15:40.400 align:middle line:84% first because you guys just had to hear 00:15:40.400 --> 00:15:45.660 align:middle line:84% me say that over and over as we answered your questions. 00:15:45.660 --> 00:15:47.670 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:15:47.670 --> 00:15:48.260 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:15:48.260 --> 00:15:51.470 align:middle line:90% I can answer that one. 00:15:51.470 --> 00:15:56.270 align:middle line:84% When I saw those parentheses, that was how I was mainly 00:15:56.270 --> 00:16:03.200 align:middle line:84% trying to write down what it looks like when wind goes 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:06.440 align:middle line:84% through, say, the branches of a tree and it's 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:09.680 align:middle line:84% moving maybe this way, and so the parentheses 00:16:09.680 --> 00:16:11.450 align:middle line:90% are going like this. 00:16:11.450 --> 00:16:13.730 align:middle line:84% And I actually saw that just yesterday 00:16:13.730 --> 00:16:16.490 align:middle line:84% when we had that big rain that a lot of us experienced, 00:16:16.490 --> 00:16:19.100 align:middle line:90% so there was a lot of wind. 00:16:19.100 --> 00:16:24.050 align:middle line:84% I bet you saw this too where the trees outside your house 00:16:24.050 --> 00:16:27.050 align:middle line:84% or wherever you were are just bending 00:16:27.050 --> 00:16:28.642 align:middle line:90% in one particular direction. 00:16:28.642 --> 00:16:30.350 align:middle line:84% And then within that bend that they have, 00:16:30.350 --> 00:16:33.087 align:middle line:84% there's all these tiny little movements that are like this. 00:16:33.087 --> 00:16:34.670 align:middle line:84% So that's what those parentheses were. 00:16:34.670 --> 00:16:37.350 align:middle line:90% 00:16:37.350 --> 00:16:40.410 align:middle line:84% Well, thank you both very, very much. 00:16:40.410 --> 00:16:43.740 align:middle line:84% Let's have one more round of applause for Wendy and Renee. 00:16:43.740 --> 00:16:51.000 align:middle line:90%