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I guess in terms of sincerity,
the first order of business

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is always to get as close
to the truth as possible.

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And so what I thought was
interesting about the way you

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framed the question was that
it even when we're not--

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even when the poem starts to
say something that we didn't

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want it to say initially.

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And I think that what happens is
that in the process of writing

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the poem I mean there's
really this kind

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of naked openness to the writing
of poems where it'll take you.

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There has to be
a point where you

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feel sort of that the poem
will be smarter than the poet

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and that the poet the
poem will sort of lead you

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to a more accurate
depiction of what is it

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you're trying to say.

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Whether it's something
that you've always

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thought of or believed
in or not even

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if it's uncomfortable
for you to put out there.

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And I think that kind
of openness to it

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comes back to the truth.

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Even when we talk
about what's funny,

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you know in the humor
or irony or ironic.

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It's like it's still
going back to what's

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true that makes it ironic
that makes it funny

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and/or makes it sincere.

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So you know that's--

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for me the thing I
try to keep in mind

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when approaching a poem
is that whatever-- just

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like if I used to I
did a graduate program

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within social science years ago.

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One of the things that I
found in the process of doing

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that kind of research is
that you have a hypothesis

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that you set out for.

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And then as you do
the research sometimes

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things come up that are counter
to what your hypothesis was.

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And if you're going
to be a good research

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and you follow that you
let it happen same thing

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happens in the heart.

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If you're following this
is that this is your idea

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but then something else comes
up is more accurate or more true

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then you have to be open
enough to follow that as well.

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