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Yes.

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How did your approach
differ in terms of content?

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[INAUDIBLE]

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Sorry, I'm not quite getting it.

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How does the approach
to writing poetry

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differ in terms of content?

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[INAUDIBLE]?

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How does the approach to
those [INAUDIBLE] structure

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of those poems differ?

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Yeah.

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That's another
really good question,

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because it is the case that
I would have answered this

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in a certain way while
writing my first two books,

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and that I can no longer
answer it in the same way.

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Here it goes-- my first
two books were very aware,

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our priority, even
before hitting

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the page of what more or
less the subject of the poem

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was going to be.

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I was going to write about
this particular place in South

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Africa, or this particular
event in South Africa,

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or this particular relationship
within a family and so on,

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this moment in history.

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So there was a
content-driven dimension

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to the origin of the poems.

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Whereas, now the
question doesn't

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apply in anything like the
dichotomy that it suggests.

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There is no
distinction now when I

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hit the page, in
terms of is this going

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to be driven by
content, is this going

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to be driven by the way the
language seems to be moving,

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the way in which other parts of
the mind are being magnetized.

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It's a much more
intuitive process now,

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in which the distinctions
between content and linguistic

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energy are becoming blurred.

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There's a greater autonomy.

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It's as if I want to
hear what's coming up

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towards me from the
back side of the page,

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rather than what's coming
from me to the page.

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Can I listen?

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That's why many of these poems
are obsessed with achieving

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the capacity to listen.

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So that's where I
am at the moment.

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And clearly, once one
is in that position--

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this would be my dream--

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there is a potential
for integration,

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because you are not
hierarchically saying,

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I'm choosing this at
the expense of that.

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To come back to my
metaphor of the field,

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I'm rather going to
be the field in which,

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if I listen long enough, the
sounds of the field will emerge

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and they will be biologically
diverse, if we've

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got a healthy
environment in the soul.

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