WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.540 align:middle line:90% 00:00:03.540 --> 00:00:08.070 align:middle line:84% When I was a young girl in England, 00:00:08.070 --> 00:00:09.870 align:middle line:90% the Second World War was on. 00:00:09.870 --> 00:00:18.330 align:middle line:84% And they had a draft for women in England. 00:00:18.330 --> 00:00:21.540 align:middle line:90% And I didn't want to be drafted. 00:00:21.540 --> 00:00:26.970 align:middle line:84% And I became a nurse, which was a reserved occupation. 00:00:26.970 --> 00:00:30.780 align:middle line:84% And after about a year in a sort of wartime, civilian nursing 00:00:30.780 --> 00:00:35.760 align:middle line:84% organization, I decided that I kind of liked nursing. 00:00:35.760 --> 00:00:39.570 align:middle line:90% And I went to nursing school. 00:00:39.570 --> 00:00:41.970 align:middle line:84% I dropped out of that after a year 00:00:41.970 --> 00:00:48.510 align:middle line:84% because I couldn't stay in one place long enough. 00:00:48.510 --> 00:00:52.410 align:middle line:84% I couldn't see staying there for another three years. 00:00:52.410 --> 00:00:57.720 align:middle line:84% But I did go on working as a nurse for a number of years. 00:00:57.720 --> 00:01:01.560 align:middle line:84% Well, let me see, a couple of years after that anyway 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:03.660 align:middle line:84% and then sporadically after that. 00:01:03.660 --> 00:01:07.800 align:middle line:84% In England, one could work as an assistant nurse 00:01:07.800 --> 00:01:11.940 align:middle line:84% if one had had some training and some experience. 00:01:11.940 --> 00:01:16.240 align:middle line:84% It's a category of nurse, which doesn't exist in this country. 00:01:16.240 --> 00:01:19.230 align:middle line:84% And so I had a good deal of experience 00:01:19.230 --> 00:01:21.690 align:middle line:90% of nursing and of hospitals. 00:01:21.690 --> 00:01:23.580 align:middle line:84% And I never wrote anything about it 00:01:23.580 --> 00:01:28.980 align:middle line:84% except one poem, which was in a book called-- 00:01:28.980 --> 00:01:34.860 align:middle line:84% which I don't have with me, a long ago poem. 00:01:34.860 --> 00:01:38.950 align:middle line:84% It was in a book called With Eyes at the Back of Our Heads. 00:01:38.950 --> 00:01:43.170 align:middle line:90% And it was called "The Dead." 00:01:43.170 --> 00:01:47.370 align:middle line:84% And it was based on my nursing experience 00:01:47.370 --> 00:01:51.210 align:middle line:84% and on laying out the body of the dead. 00:01:51.210 --> 00:01:53.640 align:middle line:84% But, otherwise, I really never touched 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:54.780 align:middle line:90% on that whole experience. 00:01:54.780 --> 00:02:00.240 align:middle line:84% Because, when I was living it, I was too-- 00:02:00.240 --> 00:02:03.960 align:middle line:84% I wasn't capable, technically or emotionally, 00:02:03.960 --> 00:02:05.460 align:middle line:90% of dealing with it in my poems. 00:02:05.460 --> 00:02:07.500 align:middle line:84% And the poems I was writing really 00:02:07.500 --> 00:02:09.270 align:middle line:84% don't give a clue to what I was living. 00:02:09.270 --> 00:02:14.070 align:middle line:84% They were typical adolescent poems of vague emotion. 00:02:14.070 --> 00:02:17.130 align:middle line:84% And my first book, which they have-- 00:02:17.130 --> 00:02:20.320 align:middle line:84% well, they have my first book over at the Poetry Center here. 00:02:20.320 --> 00:02:22.330 align:middle line:90% It's called The Double Image. 00:02:22.330 --> 00:02:28.378 align:middle line:84% And if you have the curiosity to glance through that book, 00:02:28.378 --> 00:02:30.420 align:middle line:84% you'll see that there's hardly a clue to the fact 00:02:30.420 --> 00:02:33.093 align:middle line:84% that there was a war on, that England was getting bombed, 00:02:33.093 --> 00:02:35.010 align:middle line:84% and that I was living in the midst of all that 00:02:35.010 --> 00:02:35.968 align:middle line:90% and working as a nurse. 00:02:35.968 --> 00:02:38.970 align:middle line:90% You just wouldn't know it. 00:02:38.970 --> 00:02:45.390 align:middle line:84% By the time I felt capable as a somewhat more mature person 00:02:45.390 --> 00:02:47.970 align:middle line:84% and a more experienced poet of dealing with that experience, 00:02:47.970 --> 00:02:49.560 align:middle line:90% the experience had faded. 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.580 align:middle line:84% And I felt it was too remote from me. 00:02:53.580 --> 00:02:59.550 align:middle line:84% But a year, two years ago, I suppose it was, 00:02:59.550 --> 00:03:04.320 align:middle line:84% around two years ago, I saw the movie Sunday Bloody Sunday. 00:03:04.320 --> 00:03:08.850 align:middle line:84% And there's a shot in that movie which was very vivid to me. 00:03:08.850 --> 00:03:10.980 align:middle line:84% It's just a brief shot where the doctor 00:03:10.980 --> 00:03:13.680 align:middle line:90% goes to the hospital at night. 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:16.980 align:middle line:84% And it invoked, for me, so sharply, 00:03:16.980 --> 00:03:19.890 align:middle line:84% my experience of those nursing years 00:03:19.890 --> 00:03:23.790 align:middle line:84% that it enabled me to write one poem at least about that time 00:03:23.790 --> 00:03:24.570 align:middle line:90% of my life. 00:03:24.570 --> 00:03:29.061 align:middle line:84% And that's this one called "The Malice of Innocence." 00:03:29.061 --> 00:03:33.780 align:middle line:90% 00:03:33.780 --> 00:03:39.030 align:middle line:84% It has a couple of French words in it, 00:03:39.030 --> 00:03:46.110 align:middle line:90% which are from a Rimbaud poem. 00:03:46.110 --> 00:03:48.120 align:middle line:84% Maybe I'll remember to sort of mention 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:49.410 align:middle line:90% those things afterwards. 00:03:49.410 --> 00:03:53.490 align:middle line:84% I've taken to putting notes in the back of my books. 00:03:53.490 --> 00:03:54.960 align:middle line:84% Years ago, I used not to put notes 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:56.760 align:middle line:84% because I thought it would be pretentious. 00:03:56.760 --> 00:04:00.720 align:middle line:84% And now I've decided it would be pretentious not to put notes. 00:04:00.720 --> 00:04:02.670 align:middle line:84% So I don't know if that says more 00:04:02.670 --> 00:04:05.200 align:middle line:84% about me or about our times, I'm sure. 00:04:05.200 --> 00:04:07.120 align:middle line:90% But anyway. 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:12.290 align:middle line:84% The poem is called "The Malice of Innocence." 00:04:12.290 --> 00:04:16.649 align:middle line:84% "A glimpsed world halfway through the film, 00:04:16.649 --> 00:04:21.839 align:middle line:84% one slow shot of a ward at night holds me 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:26.220 align:middle line:84% when the rest is quickly losing illusion. 00:04:26.220 --> 00:04:32.070 align:middle line:84% Strange hold, as of romance of glamour. 00:04:32.070 --> 00:04:34.890 align:middle line:84% Not because, even when I lived in it, 00:04:34.890 --> 00:04:38.220 align:middle line:84% I had illusions about that world. 00:04:38.220 --> 00:04:40.800 align:middle line:90% Simply because I did live there. 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.490 align:middle line:90% And it was a world. 00:04:44.490 --> 00:04:49.260 align:middle line:84% Green shaded lamp glowing on the charge desk. 00:04:49.260 --> 00:04:54.420 align:middle line:84% Clipboards stacked on the desk for the night. 00:04:54.420 --> 00:04:59.670 align:middle line:84% Sighs and waiting, waiting for morning stirrings, 00:04:59.670 --> 00:05:04.860 align:middle line:84% in the dim, long room, warm, orderly, and full 00:05:04.860 --> 00:05:07.020 align:middle line:90% of breathings as a cow barn. 00:05:07.020 --> 00:05:09.690 align:middle line:90% 00:05:09.690 --> 00:05:13.650 align:middle line:84% Death and pain dominate this world. 00:05:13.650 --> 00:05:18.780 align:middle line:84% For though many are cured, they leave still weak, 00:05:18.780 --> 00:05:22.830 align:middle line:84% still tremulous, still knowing mortality 00:05:22.830 --> 00:05:24.960 align:middle line:90% has whispered to them. 00:05:24.960 --> 00:05:28.560 align:middle line:84% Have seen in the folding of white bedspreads 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:35.280 align:middle line:84% according to rule the starched pleats of a shroud. 00:05:35.280 --> 00:05:38.880 align:middle line:84% It's against that frozen counterpane 00:05:38.880 --> 00:05:43.770 align:middle line:84% and the knowledge too how black an old mouth gaping at death 00:05:43.770 --> 00:05:47.220 align:middle line:84% can look, that the night routine has, 00:05:47.220 --> 00:05:52.380 align:middle line:84% in itself, without illusions, glamour perhaps. 00:05:52.380 --> 00:05:57.900 align:middle line:84% It had a rhythm, a choreographic decorum 00:05:57.900 --> 00:06:01.110 align:middle line:84% when all the evening chores had been done 00:06:01.110 --> 00:06:05.850 align:middle line:84% and a multiple restless quiet listened to the wall clock's 00:06:05.850 --> 00:06:06.540 align:middle line:90% pulse. 00:06:06.540 --> 00:06:12.690 align:middle line:84% And turn by turn, the two of us made our rounds on tiptoe, bed 00:06:12.690 --> 00:06:18.480 align:middle line:84% to bed, counting by flashlight how many pairs of open eyes 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:24.060 align:middle line:84% were turned to us, noting all we were trained to note. 00:06:24.060 --> 00:06:27.660 align:middle line:84% We were gravely dancing, starched 00:06:27.660 --> 00:06:31.440 align:middle line:84% in our caps, our trained replies, 00:06:31.440 --> 00:06:36.750 align:middle line:84% our whispering aprons, the well-rehearsed pavanne 00:06:36.750 --> 00:06:39.270 align:middle line:90% of power. 00:06:39.270 --> 00:06:45.390 align:middle line:84% Yes, wasn't it power and not compassion 00:06:45.390 --> 00:06:48.870 align:middle line:84% gave our young hearts their hard fervor? 00:06:48.870 --> 00:06:51.510 align:middle line:90% 00:06:51.510 --> 00:06:54.990 align:middle line:84% I hated to scrub out lockers, to hand out 00:06:54.990 --> 00:06:57.540 align:middle line:90% trays of unappetizing food. 00:06:57.540 --> 00:07:01.290 align:middle line:84% And by day, or the tail-end of night, 00:07:01.290 --> 00:07:05.910 align:middle line:84% daybreak dull on gray faces, ours and theirs, 00:07:05.910 --> 00:07:11.850 align:middle line:84% the anxious hurry, the scolding old-maid bosses. 00:07:11.850 --> 00:07:16.620 align:middle line:84% But I loved the power of our ordered nights. 00:07:16.620 --> 00:07:21.480 align:middle line:84% Gleaming surfaces I'd helped to polish making patterns 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:24.570 align:middle line:90% in the shipshape half dark. 00:07:24.570 --> 00:07:30.480 align:middle line:84% Loved the knowing what to do and doing it, lists of tasks 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:35.970 align:middle line:84% getting shorter hour by hour, and knowing all the 00:07:35.970 --> 00:07:40.470 align:middle line:84% while that emergency might ring with a case to admit anytime, 00:07:40.470 --> 00:07:43.200 align:middle line:90% if a bed were empty. 00:07:43.200 --> 00:07:47.610 align:middle line:90% Poised, ready for that. 00:07:47.610 --> 00:07:52.770 align:middle line:84% The camera never returned to the hospital ward. 00:07:52.770 --> 00:07:56.100 align:middle line:84% The story moved on into the streets, 00:07:56.100 --> 00:08:00.240 align:middle line:84% into the rooms where people lived. 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.210 align:middle line:84% But I got lost in the death rooms 00:08:03.210 --> 00:08:09.030 align:middle line:84% a while, remembering being crudely, 00:08:09.030 --> 00:08:15.420 align:middle line:84% cruelly, just as a soldier or one of the guards from Dachau 00:08:15.420 --> 00:08:19.860 align:middle line:90% might be, in love with order. 00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:23.610 align:middle line:84% An angel, like the chercheuses de poux, 00:08:23.610 --> 00:08:28.440 align:middle line:84% floating noiseless from bed to bed, 00:08:28.440 --> 00:08:35.580 align:middle line:84% smoothing pillows, tipping water to parched lips, 00:08:35.580 --> 00:08:40.169 align:middle line:84% writing details of agony carefully 00:08:40.169 --> 00:08:41.520 align:middle line:90% into the night report." 00:08:41.520 --> 00:08:46.620 align:middle line:90% 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:49.970 align:middle line:90% [APPLAUSE] 00:08:49.970 --> 00:08:53.000 align:middle line:90%