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I think we have time
for one more question.

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OK, good.

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In the back there.

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I wanted to ask you, when
John Ashbery was here

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a couple of years
ago, he talked a lot

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about the role that music played
and his experience of music,

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listening to music.

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And not he listened--
although I think

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he did say he listened
sometimes when he was writing.

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And I know music's
really important to you.

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And I wonder if, I
mean, how does it

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connect to your act of writing?

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Do you have to have
quiet when you write?

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Do you find yourself sort
of listening to things

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or are there things going
through your head that

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seem to connect with--

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I don't know.

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I think it's probably a kind
of incidental relationship.

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Usually there's jazz playing
on the radio or something

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in the house.

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And I tend to write
about jazz, mostly,

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only because it's something
that's part of my life.

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It's the same thing as weather
or food or having a dog

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or being married.

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I mean, they are
parts of my life,

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and they get into my poetry.

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I think a lot of
poetry about jazz,

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particularly, is very bad
because it tries to imitate.

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It commits what is called
the imitative fallacy.

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It tries to sound jazzy.

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And I'd read rather just listen
to jazz than some poet trying

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to be jazzy.

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So I don't try to be jazzy.

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I just take on jazz as another
subject matter that might

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yield metaphors and whatnot.

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But it's usually playing.

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Thank you very much for
coming today and this morning.

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I'm sorry I have
to kind of bolt.

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But I enjoyed talking to you.

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Thank you very much.

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[APPLAUSE]

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