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Thank you guys so much you're
both such excellent readers

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of your work.

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Thank you

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What is a poetry reading for?

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[LAUGHTER]

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We both [INAUDIBLE].

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[LAUGHTER]

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I mean, I think, I
love hearing Jane read.

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It's been quite a while
since I've heard Jane read.

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And I love to hear
the poem in the body

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and the voice and the
throat and everything.

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I've read Thunderbird.

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I've heard it a couple of times,
but I haven't heard her read

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from it yet.

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And to me, it's like
you get to kind of revel

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in the bodily kind
of nest or something.

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The end.

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The end.

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[LAUGHTER]

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Thanks for coming.

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[LAUGHTER]

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You all know what
a poetry reading

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is for because you're here.

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You came for it.

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I don't know if you got it.

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[LAUGHTER]

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[APPLAUSE]

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Anyone else have a question?

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The planes have
something to say,

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but they're not
speaking our language.

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You hit the church
bells really nicely.

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You find that.

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I know.

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[LAUGHTER]

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Don't be shy.

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They've been stunned
into silence.

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Oh, there we go.

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This guy's a good leader.

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We've seen him before.

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Hi, this is actually for Jane.

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So throughout
Thunderbird, I picked up

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some themes about religion.

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Could you elaborate more
on what you wanted to--

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I guess, the key
point you wanted

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to make by referencing God a few
times throughout Thunderbird?

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Sorry for the very
broad question.

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[LAUGHTER]

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Well, everybody's
got a spiritual life.

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And I am not a
religious person per se,

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but I am trying to
develop my spiritual life.

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And I just wanted to
communicate that to everyone

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and try to connect with
people on that level

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that we're all terrified,
we wake up feeling dread.

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Sometimes we have a
few wonderful things

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that happen to us during the
day, and then it's dread again.

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[LAUGHTER]

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[INAUDIBLE]

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But you know what?

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Quite seriously, I mean,
your question is huge,

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and I'm not a theologian
or anything like that,

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but I do feel that
it's important to speak

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of large things that
we don't understand.

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And God is just
one of many things

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that I speak about that
I don't understand.

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Speaking of which, I have a
sense of the test of a roller

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coaster-- roller coaster--

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because I have the ups
and downs as of truth

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and [INAUDIBLE] of some
kind of [INAUDIBLE]

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because you talked
about the Mediterranean,

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all the elders on
[INAUDIBLE] of figs and pigs

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and talked about the
Stalin [INAUDIBLE]..

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And then you talk about
the beautiful imagery

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of things [INAUDIBLE].

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How do you combine those
two antagonistic end

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in such a pleasing way?

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Thank you.

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Can you hear his question?

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He's talking about the
antagonistic elements

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that he hears in my work.

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Figs and [INAUDIBLE],,
for example.

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And Josh and I were
working this morning,

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in two wonderful classes
of honor students

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where we were discussing just
that, Josh was quite eloquent.

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I'm going to let
him pick up on this.

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But I do think that it's
in poetry in general,

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that poetry is, by nature,
paradoxical and deals

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with opposites
that to some people

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might seem inappropriate.

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But I think that,
in fact, all of it

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is contained in our world.

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But could you say a few
words because you were

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quite beautiful this morning?

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That was this morning.

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So long ago.

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Still a long day.

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Well, yeah, we were talking
a little bit this morning

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about how the way
that in Jane's poems

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and I think also a
little bit in my poems

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there's a little doom and gloom,
and then it always is sort of--

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I don't know-- carried forth
by some pleasure or some joy,

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some wish to prolong
something positive or good

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or glorious or
surprising or amazing.

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And it's undergirded again
by that same counterforce

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or something too.

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It was one sort of--

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I don't know-- acting
on or pulling or working

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on on the other and some--

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it was way better this morning.

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[LAUGHTER]

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Sorry.

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Hi, this is a question for Jane.

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I'm from the Northwest.

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And I just wondered why you
chose the title Thunderbird?

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Well, Thunderbird has a
number of meanings to me.

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My mother had a Ford Thunderbird
when we were growing up.

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That was how it started.

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And I often go hiking.

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Those of you who know
the West Side of Tucson

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will know there's a
Thunderbird Trail out there.

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But more to your question.

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The question is about the
title and how it is indeed

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a Pacific Northwest reference.

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The storms here got me
looking up what was going on.

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And they seemed so
human in a gigantic way.

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I began to anthropomorphize,
if you will, about the storms

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and eventually end up
doing some research.

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And I found out that
the giant Thunderbird,

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while it is a Pacific
Northwest reference,

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was seen here in
the Southwest right

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around Tucson
supposedly photographed.

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And there was some
contention about this.

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And I just got simply
fascinated one monsoon season

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with what was going on above
me, the sound of the lightning

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and so on.

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And so the metaphor
grew and grew.

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Also, just as a
postscript to that,

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when the Air Force
showcases its jets,

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that is known as the
Thunderbird show.

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So the whole thing kind of
began to cluster for me.

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