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I was curious about what
you said about connecting

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the fragments with the prose.

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Did the prose end up
in the final poem, or--

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Um-hum [NODS]

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OK.

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So you started with these
fragments and then expanded.

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Yeah, compositionally, this
book just really worked for me.

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Like these pieces, which are
inscrutable unless you're

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a court reporter,
I asked my mother,

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who is a retired court reporter,
to transcribe word for word

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the prose passages,
which she did.

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And then the designer used
about four of them in the text.

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And even though I know
it didn't mean anything

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to anyone who wasn't
a court reporter,

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the book was dedicated
to two court reporters.

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And I knew they could read it.

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And also, I just felt like
it added another layer.

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And this was very much a
work that involved layering.

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So it was really just a
visual, sort of kick, visually.

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