I've heard a lot of concern with semiotics in that case.
But I also wanted to ask you because this kind of ties in,
have you seen those, I believe it's Benetton ads?
Oh, yes.
I have seen that book of those ads.
Where the photographs say so much,
totally out of context of what's being advertised.
Yeah, I have seen that.
And this was Angola, Arkansas you were talk about?
No, it's in Louisiana.
Oh, OK.
I didn't want to get it mixed up with the one Robert Redford is
warden of.
In the group-- what was the place called?
What was the name?
Brewbaker.
Yes, that's right.
I can't remember which prison that was.
Well, it was very similar to the prison you're describing.
Well, actually Angola's reputation
at one time in the '70s not so very distant time
was that it was the bloodiest prison in the country.
It's now probably the safest maximum security
prison in the country.
It's very well-known.
I mean, it's just us, how we do things, that's not right.
I mean, nobody incarcerates like we do.
Nobody in the developed world.
A man on death row said this is about the most expensive
industry we have in this country and it doesn't work.
Well, it's a growth industry.
It's outstripping the development of schools.
There's no question about why it's the same budget,
that we're putting it at that end
rather than at the front end.