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I've heard a lot of concern
with semiotics in that case.

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But I also wanted to ask you
because this kind of ties in,

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have you seen those, I
believe it's Benetton ads?

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Oh, yes.

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I have seen that
book of those ads.

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Where the photographs
say so much,

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totally out of context of
what's being advertised.

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Yeah, I have seen that.

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And this was Angola,
Arkansas you were talk about?

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No, it's in Louisiana.

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Oh, OK.

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I didn't want to get it mixed up
with the one Robert Redford is

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warden of.

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In the group-- what
was the place called?

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What was the name?

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Brewbaker.

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Yes, that's right.

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I can't remember
which prison that was.

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Well, it was very similar to
the prison you're describing.

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Well, actually
Angola's reputation

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at one time in the '70s
not so very distant time

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was that it was the bloodiest
prison in the country.

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It's now probably the
safest maximum security

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prison in the country.

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It's very well-known.

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I mean, it's just us, how we
do things, that's not right.

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I mean, nobody
incarcerates like we do.

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Nobody in the developed world.

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A man on death row said this
is about the most expensive

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industry we have in this
country and it doesn't work.

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Well, it's a growth industry.

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It's outstripping the
development of schools.

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There's no question about
why it's the same budget,

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that we're putting
it at that end

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rather than at the front end.

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