Can you tell or provide an antidote
to apathy in the outside world and remain
sensitive to the subject?
Well, I think for one thing, it's
very important that people look out as well as people look in.
Just that these people's pictures
are seen looking out at the world as whole people.
And then I think it's important also for people to look in,
and I think there's all kinds of exposure going on right now.
There are lots of people involved
in work about the state of prisons right now.
The rate of building, and the length of sentences,
and the three-strike rule.
This is judges, prosecutors, people in criminal justice,
penal, just all kind of --
clergy, all kinds of people are very, very involved
in this right now.
But once you build something like this,
it does become a monster that gets away.
It takes a lot of people being involved
before any kind of reversals will be seen.