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Can you tell or
provide an antidote

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to apathy in the
outside world and remain

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sensitive to the subject?

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Well, I think for
one thing, it's

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very important that people look
out as well as people look in.

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Just that these
people's pictures

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are seen looking out at
the world as whole people.

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And then I think it's important
also for people to look in,

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and I think there's all kinds
of exposure going on right now.

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There are lots of
people involved

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in work about the state
of prisons right now.

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The rate of building, and
the length of sentences,

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and the three-strike rule.

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This is judges, prosecutors,
people in criminal justice,

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penal, just all kind of --

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clergy, all kinds of people
are very, very involved

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in this right now.

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But once you build
something like this,

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it does become a
monster that gets away.

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It takes a lot of
people being involved

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before any kind of
reversals will be seen.

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