WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.200 align:middle line:90% 00:00:01.200 --> 00:00:04.250 align:middle line:84% You mentioned the prison project and you're working 00:00:04.250 --> 00:00:05.970 align:middle line:90% on that with Deborah Luster? 00:00:05.970 --> 00:00:06.470 align:middle line:90% [NODS] 00:00:06.470 --> 00:00:09.050 align:middle line:84% Could you tell us a little bit about how 00:00:09.050 --> 00:00:12.350 align:middle line:84% working in a partnership with an artist in another medium kind 00:00:12.350 --> 00:00:14.600 align:middle line:84% of affects the way you shape your book? 00:00:14.600 --> 00:00:17.640 align:middle line:84% Well, that probably is also a little bit related 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:20.550 align:middle line:84% to your question that when you step outside your own media 00:00:20.550 --> 00:00:22.620 align:middle line:90% and your own ego. 00:00:22.620 --> 00:00:25.020 align:middle line:84% And stepping outside your own medium 00:00:25.020 --> 00:00:27.450 align:middle line:84% is one way to get outside your own ego. 00:00:27.450 --> 00:00:32.520 align:middle line:84% You engage somebody else and their sensibility. 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:35.115 align:middle line:84% Deborah Luster's and mine seem to dovetail, 00:00:35.115 --> 00:00:37.974 align:middle line:84% and so I'm not sure that I'm great for collaboration 00:00:37.974 --> 00:00:40.182 align:middle line:84% with any number of other people, including my husband 00:00:40.182 --> 00:00:41.600 align:middle line:90% and I have never collaborated. 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.830 align:middle line:84% We talked about it and then thought, 00:00:43.830 --> 00:00:45.050 align:middle line:90% oh, better leave that alone. 00:00:45.050 --> 00:00:49.100 align:middle line:90% And then you know that it works. 00:00:49.100 --> 00:00:52.630 align:middle line:84% It just, we have a good time and we work really hard, 00:00:52.630 --> 00:00:56.230 align:middle line:84% very intensely, and then it's lots of aerobic laughter 00:00:56.230 --> 00:00:57.880 align:middle line:90% at the end of the day. 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:03.880 align:middle line:84% And lots of driving, both of us like road trips. 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:07.480 align:middle line:84% And lots of things to talk about and think about 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:11.043 align:middle line:84% since projects are usually fairly interesting to both 00:01:11.043 --> 00:01:13.200 align:middle line:90% of us from to get go. 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:16.400 align:middle line:84% And so we are able to sort of feed -- 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:18.400 align:middle line:90% feedback for each other. 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:20.700 align:middle line:84% So if it's a nice way to work, I think. 00:01:20.700 --> 00:01:25.110 align:middle line:90% And, you know, poetry is lonely. 00:01:25.110 --> 00:01:29.490 align:middle line:84% So [INAUDIBLE] is a temporary fix for that. 00:01:29.490 --> 00:01:31.290 align:middle line:90% [CHUCKLE] 00:01:31.290 --> 00:01:33.360 align:middle line:90% What's the project? 00:01:33.360 --> 00:01:37.650 align:middle line:84% Well, it's called One Big Self: Prisoners of Louisiana, 00:01:37.650 --> 00:01:41.790 align:middle line:84% and she's been photographed -- taking portraits, 00:01:41.790 --> 00:01:44.880 align:middle line:84% very formal portraits in the prisons for about a year 00:01:44.880 --> 00:01:47.170 align:middle line:90% and a half at three prisons. 00:01:47.170 --> 00:01:50.450 align:middle line:84% And some of them are environmental, and most of them 00:01:50.450 --> 00:01:54.140 align:middle line:84% are, we set up a makeshift studio a little quickly. 00:01:54.140 --> 00:02:01.300 align:middle line:84% And she prints them on aluminum, and treats the -- 00:02:01.300 --> 00:02:04.240 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] them and everything. 00:02:04.240 --> 00:02:07.270 align:middle line:90% So they look like old tin types. 00:02:07.270 --> 00:02:10.389 align:middle line:84% Not daguerreotypes, it's more like tin types. 00:02:10.389 --> 00:02:13.450 align:middle line:84% And I'm writing the text for them. 00:02:13.450 --> 00:02:17.890 align:middle line:84% And so I'm informing myself with visits and correspondence, 00:02:17.890 --> 00:02:22.783 align:middle line:84% and reading and movies, and looking at her pictures. 00:02:22.783 --> 00:02:28.630 align:middle line:84% And it's been a steady diet of prison stuff for awhile. 00:02:28.630 --> 00:02:33.260 align:middle line:84% I'm almost topped off, but and so I've been writing it. 00:02:33.260 --> 00:02:35.520 align:middle line:84% I'm just formally I'm nowhere near 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.690 align:middle line:84% satisfied with what I've gotten down. 00:02:37.690 --> 00:02:43.390 align:middle line:90% The material is just there. 00:02:43.390 --> 00:02:47.260 align:middle line:84% And politically, it's tricky, just not to screw it up, 00:02:47.260 --> 00:02:49.110 align:middle line:90% you know.