WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.740 align:middle line:90% 00:00:08.740 --> 00:00:09.240 align:middle line:90% Hi. 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.490 align:middle line:90% 00:00:12.490 --> 00:00:14.760 align:middle line:84% Thanks especially to Louise for picking this book 00:00:14.760 --> 00:00:16.500 align:middle line:84% and inviting you to come here today 00:00:16.500 --> 00:00:18.570 align:middle line:84% and this is about the largest audience 00:00:18.570 --> 00:00:23.590 align:middle line:84% I've ever read poetry to, so thank you very much for coming. 00:00:23.590 --> 00:00:25.380 align:middle line:84% Especially thanks to the Poetry Center 00:00:25.380 --> 00:00:29.040 align:middle line:84% and to Jim Paul and Frances Sjoberg. 00:00:29.040 --> 00:00:32.670 align:middle line:90% It's really nice to be here. 00:00:32.670 --> 00:00:34.590 align:middle line:90% I'm going to read five poems. 00:00:34.590 --> 00:00:36.270 align:middle line:90% I tend to write a little long. 00:00:36.270 --> 00:00:39.270 align:middle line:84% Four of these poems are long, one isn't. 00:00:39.270 --> 00:00:42.960 align:middle line:84% Four of them are in this book and one isn't. 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:44.790 align:middle line:90% One's new. 00:00:44.790 --> 00:00:48.850 align:middle line:84% And I usually like to frame my poems a little bit. 00:00:48.850 --> 00:00:51.000 align:middle line:84% So one of the things I was thinking about 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:54.600 align:middle line:84% was, the title for the book is In the Surgical Theatre 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:57.030 align:middle line:84% and it was a title that came late to the book. 00:00:57.030 --> 00:01:00.460 align:middle line:84% I called it all sorts of different things. 00:01:00.460 --> 00:01:05.670 align:middle line:84% And so, I was thinking about the word surgery recently 00:01:05.670 --> 00:01:07.590 align:middle line:84% and I decided to look up its etymology. 00:01:07.590 --> 00:01:09.420 align:middle line:90% And I was interested in it. 00:01:09.420 --> 00:01:11.830 align:middle line:84% It comes from the ancient Greek and my Greek is horrible. 00:01:11.830 --> 00:01:16.770 align:middle line:90% So correct me "kairo ergia". 00:01:16.770 --> 00:01:18.210 align:middle line:90% "Kairos": hands. 00:01:18.210 --> 00:01:19.740 align:middle line:90% "Ergon": work. 00:01:19.740 --> 00:01:22.680 align:middle line:84% So that surgery actually means working 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.750 align:middle line:90% with the hands with scope. 00:01:24.750 --> 00:01:27.120 align:middle line:84% And the modern definition is of course 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:30.660 align:middle line:84% to open up the body to cut, extract with the impulse being 00:01:30.660 --> 00:01:32.680 align:middle line:90% to heal. 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:35.610 align:middle line:84% And I realized that actually really informs my approach 00:01:35.610 --> 00:01:36.270 align:middle line:90% to poetry. 00:01:36.270 --> 00:01:39.270 align:middle line:84% Each poem feels like an act of surgery. 00:01:39.270 --> 00:01:43.830 align:middle line:84% An attempt to open up some kind of outer surface or outer body 00:01:43.830 --> 00:01:46.710 align:middle line:90% to find what has been hidden. 00:01:46.710 --> 00:01:48.540 align:middle line:84% In the act of poetry the outer body 00:01:48.540 --> 00:01:51.540 align:middle line:84% is poetic as in a central metaphor or image. 00:01:51.540 --> 00:01:55.230 align:middle line:84% And what has been hidden for me is psychological, i.e. 00:01:55.230 --> 00:01:59.765 align:middle line:84% the motivation for the image or metaphor coming to mind. 00:01:59.765 --> 00:02:01.140 align:middle line:84% In colloquium today I was talking 00:02:01.140 --> 00:02:03.640 align:middle line:84% about how most of my poems begin with an image, 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:05.890 align:middle line:84% and I don't know why it comes into my head. 00:02:05.890 --> 00:02:08.430 align:middle line:84% And so for me the act of writing is 00:02:08.430 --> 00:02:11.100 align:middle line:84% trying to encounter the unconscious reasons for why 00:02:11.100 --> 00:02:13.260 align:middle line:84% the images, often surreal, come into my head. 00:02:13.260 --> 00:02:15.840 align:middle line:90% 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.300 align:middle line:84% And this has bearing on the first poem I'm going to read, 00:02:18.300 --> 00:02:19.950 align:middle line:84% which is called personal history and I 00:02:19.950 --> 00:02:24.300 align:middle line:84% feel like I have to give you some autobiographical detail. 00:02:24.300 --> 00:02:26.400 align:middle line:90% A lot of this book has-- 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:29.910 align:middle line:84% was driven by-- when I was in New York City 00:02:29.910 --> 00:02:34.140 align:middle line:84% I became sort of a surgery-filiac. 00:02:34.140 --> 00:02:37.080 align:middle line:84% I became really just my mind was inundated 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:38.860 align:middle line:90% with images of the open body. 00:02:38.860 --> 00:02:43.080 align:middle line:84% The chest being open and for some kind of Revelation of I 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:44.730 align:middle line:84% wanted to get into hospital rooms 00:02:44.730 --> 00:02:46.470 align:middle line:90% and look at open heart surgery. 00:02:46.470 --> 00:02:48.450 align:middle line:84% I just became fascinated by this and I kept 00:02:48.450 --> 00:02:51.970 align:middle line:90% thinking what is wrong with me. 00:02:51.970 --> 00:02:54.340 align:middle line:84% And I realized and it seems obvious. 00:02:54.340 --> 00:02:56.160 align:middle line:84% But at the time, it was not available to me 00:02:56.160 --> 00:02:59.490 align:middle line:84% that I had surgery when I was six days old. 00:02:59.490 --> 00:03:01.367 align:middle line:84% I had part of my intestine removed 00:03:01.367 --> 00:03:03.450 align:middle line:84% and I was in an incubator for the first two months 00:03:03.450 --> 00:03:03.990 align:middle line:90% of my life. 00:03:03.990 --> 00:03:06.120 align:middle line:84% And I began to think that maybe I should 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.290 align:middle line:90% do some writing about it. 00:03:08.290 --> 00:03:11.340 align:middle line:84% So the first poem was called personal history. 00:03:11.340 --> 00:03:14.460 align:middle line:84% And one of the difficulties in writing about this topic 00:03:14.460 --> 00:03:16.980 align:middle line:84% is the difficulty of writing autobiographically 00:03:16.980 --> 00:03:21.120 align:middle line:84% about pain, which almost seems like a cliche at this point. 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:24.240 align:middle line:84% So I was trying to find other ways 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.700 align:middle line:90% of talking about personal pain. 00:03:26.700 --> 00:03:28.530 align:middle line:90% And I became interested in-- 00:03:28.530 --> 00:03:31.200 align:middle line:84% I was born in 65, which is the year that the Vietnam 00:03:31.200 --> 00:03:32.320 align:middle line:90% War was escalated. 00:03:32.320 --> 00:03:34.860 align:middle line:84% And so I became interested in the relationship 00:03:34.860 --> 00:03:38.100 align:middle line:84% between being on a surgical table in 1965, 00:03:38.100 --> 00:03:42.930 align:middle line:84% at the same time that soldiers and civilians were being killed 00:03:42.930 --> 00:03:45.060 align:middle line:84% in this place that was far away from Los Angeles 00:03:45.060 --> 00:03:45.810 align:middle line:90% where I was born. 00:03:45.810 --> 00:03:49.800 align:middle line:84% So this poem moves in and out of a hospital nursery 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:56.220 align:middle line:90% and a battlefield in Vietnam. 00:03:56.220 --> 00:03:56.970 align:middle line:90% Personal History. 00:03:56.970 --> 00:04:05.250 align:middle line:90% 00:04:05.250 --> 00:04:06.330 align:middle line:90% Like lifting a curtain. 00:04:06.330 --> 00:04:10.030 align:middle line:90% 00:04:10.030 --> 00:04:13.570 align:middle line:90% Magic chest. 00:04:13.570 --> 00:04:16.089 align:middle line:90% Open it up. 00:04:16.089 --> 00:04:18.850 align:middle line:90% See the baby inside? 00:04:18.850 --> 00:04:22.180 align:middle line:84% The tubes twisting out of the wrists and ankles, 00:04:22.180 --> 00:04:26.080 align:middle line:84% trickles of blood where the needles go in. 00:04:26.080 --> 00:04:30.670 align:middle line:90% Soft machines inhale, exhale. 00:04:30.670 --> 00:04:35.230 align:middle line:84% The plasma bag dripping the minutes. 00:04:35.230 --> 00:04:40.030 align:middle line:84% Moisture beading on the rim of the glass. 00:04:40.030 --> 00:04:43.540 align:middle line:84% The drip bags hang heavy as flowers, droplets 00:04:43.540 --> 00:04:47.200 align:middle line:90% collecting like dew, like time. 00:04:47.200 --> 00:04:50.620 align:middle line:84% The bodies of fruit, the baby's inside it, 00:04:50.620 --> 00:04:54.280 align:middle line:90% ripening in its own steam. 00:04:54.280 --> 00:04:57.820 align:middle line:84% Follow the yellow food flowing in like water. 00:04:57.820 --> 00:05:02.200 align:middle line:84% Bruises flowering round the entering tubes. 00:05:02.200 --> 00:05:06.820 align:middle line:84% Reach in with your latexed hands through the humid air 00:05:06.820 --> 00:05:10.120 align:middle line:84% and lift the skin over the belly, where 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.810 align:middle line:84% the intestines coil in the brackish water, rot running 00:05:13.810 --> 00:05:17.410 align:middle line:90% through it, a blooded green. 00:05:17.410 --> 00:05:22.660 align:middle line:84% The rotting wood, the moss, dripping luminous 00:05:22.660 --> 00:05:24.370 align:middle line:90% to the jungle floor. 00:05:24.370 --> 00:05:28.840 align:middle line:90% A fever of banana decaying. 00:05:28.840 --> 00:05:31.360 align:middle line:90% Plains. 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.330 align:middle line:84% Orange smoke billowing from the napalmed river, 00:05:34.330 --> 00:05:37.510 align:middle line:90% flaming and slowing to the sea. 00:05:37.510 --> 00:05:40.345 align:middle line:84% The plasma bag bleeding the minutes. 00:05:40.345 --> 00:05:43.870 align:middle line:90% 00:05:43.870 --> 00:05:46.630 align:middle line:84% If you'd listen to me before, you'd know what I was saying. 00:05:46.630 --> 00:05:50.680 align:middle line:84% You'd know that I was saying the upraised scalpel, 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:52.990 align:middle line:90% a glint in the light. 00:05:52.990 --> 00:05:58.810 align:middle line:84% The upraised scalpel, the brush of a wing, invisible. 00:05:58.810 --> 00:06:01.210 align:middle line:84% Because I have this compulsion to lift 00:06:01.210 --> 00:06:05.680 align:middle line:84% the shirt over my distended belly to show you the scars. 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.080 align:middle line:84% Like a revealed religion, the cross, 00:06:08.080 --> 00:06:11.890 align:middle line:84% the X slicing into the skin, ave doctorus, 00:06:11.890 --> 00:06:16.730 align:middle line:84% ave angelus, white caps floating like wings on the air. 00:06:16.730 --> 00:06:19.960 align:middle line:90% Reach in. 00:06:19.960 --> 00:06:24.850 align:middle line:84% Do you expect to find light here in this windowless room, 00:06:24.850 --> 00:06:28.270 align:middle line:84% digging your thumb deeper and deeper into the hospital 00:06:28.270 --> 00:06:32.410 align:middle line:84% nursery, to the dark stink in the bowels? 00:06:32.410 --> 00:06:34.300 align:middle line:90% It's 1965. 00:06:34.300 --> 00:06:36.490 align:middle line:90% The world's radiating out of it. 00:06:36.490 --> 00:06:40.270 align:middle line:84% The tubes like spokes of a living wheel. 00:06:40.270 --> 00:06:42.190 align:middle line:90% And are you connected? 00:06:42.190 --> 00:06:46.060 align:middle line:84% Pale faced hovering over the incubator glass, pale moon 00:06:46.060 --> 00:06:47.650 align:middle line:90% through galactic trees. 00:06:47.650 --> 00:06:51.910 align:middle line:84% Boots tensing in the milk green mud, footprints, feet 00:06:51.910 --> 00:06:53.950 align:middle line:90% swallowed. 00:06:53.950 --> 00:06:56.320 align:middle line:84% It was the doctors, their scalpels 00:06:56.320 --> 00:06:59.470 align:middle line:84% like steel green angels arching the knife that 00:06:59.470 --> 00:07:02.110 align:middle line:84% could cut the rocks out of miles of river 00:07:02.110 --> 00:07:04.570 align:middle line:90% snaked by the silent Viet-Cong. 00:07:04.570 --> 00:07:08.200 align:middle line:84% Boys in rags up to their necks in the malarial water, 00:07:08.200 --> 00:07:11.360 align:middle line:90% holding their guns up high. 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:13.420 align:middle line:84% Don't you see how every time I look 00:07:13.420 --> 00:07:16.030 align:middle line:84% between the scalpeled flaps pinned back 00:07:16.030 --> 00:07:20.530 align:middle line:84% to the sides of the belly, it's war rotting inside? 00:07:20.530 --> 00:07:23.530 align:middle line:84% Is this why it's important to tell you 00:07:23.530 --> 00:07:26.740 align:middle line:84% how the baby lays strapped with its belly sliced open, 00:07:26.740 --> 00:07:28.690 align:middle line:84% doctors plunging their hands in it's 00:07:28.690 --> 00:07:33.730 align:middle line:84% six days old to remove a gangrenous alien? 00:07:33.730 --> 00:07:35.930 align:middle line:84% And the boys croaking, don't take my leg, 00:07:35.930 --> 00:07:38.380 align:middle line:90% doc, don't take my leg. 00:07:38.380 --> 00:07:40.000 align:middle line:84% And the boys with their intestines 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.890 align:middle line:84% sprung out in loops, Mr. Johnson's can of snakes. 00:07:44.890 --> 00:07:47.500 align:middle line:84% For so long, I thought surgical white 00:07:47.500 --> 00:07:49.330 align:middle line:90% was the color of the soul. 00:07:49.330 --> 00:07:52.450 align:middle line:84% I've been floating for years in the Albanic air 00:07:52.450 --> 00:07:55.330 align:middle line:84% around the hospital nursery, above the orange smoke 00:07:55.330 --> 00:07:57.550 align:middle line:84% billowing from the napalmed river, 00:07:57.550 --> 00:08:00.550 align:middle line:84% huts collapsed into palm fronds and fire. 00:08:00.550 --> 00:08:03.910 align:middle line:84% And the people staggering away to lie burned 00:08:03.910 --> 00:08:07.000 align:middle line:84% and bleeding in the soft haired ferns curling 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.230 align:middle line:90% around the incubator glass. 00:08:08.230 --> 00:08:11.480 align:middle line:90% 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:17.390 align:middle line:84% Is this how I can tell it, how it can make sense? 00:08:17.390 --> 00:08:21.050 align:middle line:90% By placing it in history? 00:08:21.050 --> 00:08:26.600 align:middle line:84% Doctor, do you know what it's like to be connected 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.770 align:middle line:84% as flesh to machine, to be fed not by the nipple, 00:08:30.770 --> 00:08:34.610 align:middle line:84% but by the needle cutting into the veins of the ankle? 00:08:34.610 --> 00:08:37.039 align:middle line:84% To never be handled by a bare hand, 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:41.330 align:middle line:84% to never look in a face that is not masked, to never feel air 00:08:41.330 --> 00:08:43.159 align:middle line:90% not enclosed by a box? 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.440 align:middle line:84% And don't we live this way every day, 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:47.480 align:middle line:90% gloved, and masked, and dying? 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:51.230 align:middle line:84% I'm trying to figure out why it's important to show you, 00:08:51.230 --> 00:08:53.750 align:middle line:84% because I have this compulsion to rip 00:08:53.750 --> 00:08:57.980 align:middle line:84% the shirt from my distended belly and show you the scars, 00:08:57.980 --> 00:09:01.700 align:middle line:84% like the botched job of a drunken butcher X-ing drippily 00:09:01.700 --> 00:09:02.810 align:middle line:90% into the skin. 00:09:02.810 --> 00:09:05.810 align:middle line:90% Do you know what I am saying? 00:09:05.810 --> 00:09:10.370 align:middle line:84% Nurses swoop and hover, cold birds in the tropical air. 00:09:10.370 --> 00:09:14.000 align:middle line:90% 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:19.640 align:middle line:84% In the sick world on the sick day on which I was born, 00:09:19.640 --> 00:09:25.160 align:middle line:84% sick, and dying, rotting tuber in a glass, 00:09:25.160 --> 00:09:28.450 align:middle line:84% was there someone trying to heal himself, 00:09:28.450 --> 00:09:32.750 align:middle line:90% sutured dreaming tears? 00:09:32.750 --> 00:09:37.220 align:middle line:84% That person is the guiding angel lifting now 00:09:37.220 --> 00:09:40.040 align:middle line:84% over the stucco roofs of the white hospital 00:09:40.040 --> 00:09:42.770 align:middle line:84% where I was born, having hovered there 00:09:42.770 --> 00:09:45.290 align:middle line:84% for so very long while the ghost of me 00:09:45.290 --> 00:09:48.230 align:middle line:90% kept me burning in the glass. 00:09:48.230 --> 00:09:51.980 align:middle line:84% Unstitch my deepest scar, and find the baby 00:09:51.980 --> 00:09:53.990 align:middle line:90% on the cold chrome table. 00:09:53.990 --> 00:09:56.450 align:middle line:84% Descend through that ravine of bleeding flesh, 00:09:56.450 --> 00:09:58.760 align:middle line:84% and look up at the people circling 00:09:58.760 --> 00:10:00.860 align:middle line:90% like gulls in the humid air. 00:10:00.860 --> 00:10:03.740 align:middle line:84% The medics, the nurses, the mothers, and fathers, 00:10:03.740 --> 00:10:06.740 align:middle line:84% generals, and presidents hovering above the stink 00:10:06.740 --> 00:10:08.430 align:middle line:90% of ripeness and death. 00:10:08.430 --> 00:10:11.210 align:middle line:84% If you looked inside them, would there be suffering? 00:10:11.210 --> 00:10:14.630 align:middle line:84% The capacity or desire to heal through suffering. 00:10:14.630 --> 00:10:17.180 align:middle line:84% If you took the scalpel and opened them up, 00:10:17.180 --> 00:10:20.540 align:middle line:84% would there be the baby vital inside? 00:10:20.540 --> 00:10:24.800 align:middle line:84% I want to see it arriving now out of the blood rich sky, 00:10:24.800 --> 00:10:27.890 align:middle line:84% fat and shining as if the healing were not 00:10:27.890 --> 00:10:31.130 align:middle line:84% from the outside in, as if the world were sick, 00:10:31.130 --> 00:10:34.790 align:middle line:84% and the tubes radiating out in a corona of ribbons 00:10:34.790 --> 00:10:37.700 align:middle line:84% of fiery light carrying all life's innocence 00:10:37.700 --> 00:10:39.500 align:middle line:84% through the sickness of the world. 00:10:39.500 --> 00:10:42.740 align:middle line:84% Oh doctor, angel, person healed, do 00:10:42.740 --> 00:10:45.620 align:middle line:84% you think this is grandeur to see myself 00:10:45.620 --> 00:10:47.360 align:middle line:90% as an avatar of healing? 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:50.570 align:middle line:84% To see in the sick child the fever of the world, 00:10:50.570 --> 00:10:53.990 align:middle line:84% and to say to the people in the distant air circling 00:10:53.990 --> 00:10:56.330 align:middle line:84% and circling like planets caught, 00:10:56.330 --> 00:10:59.180 align:middle line:84% the fires of their own history's wreckage, 00:10:59.180 --> 00:11:01.790 align:middle line:90% come down into the burning. 00:11:01.790 --> 00:11:05.830 align:middle line:84% Feel it, so you cannot live it anymore. 00:11:05.830 --> 00:11:07.000 align:middle line:90%