WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.040 align:middle line:90% 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:04.350 align:middle line:84% I was just wondering, Claudia, you 00:00:04.350 --> 00:00:06.780 align:middle line:84% mentioned that Christine and you were 00:00:06.780 --> 00:00:11.250 align:middle line:84% collaborating on how to handle the Trayvon Martin material. 00:00:11.250 --> 00:00:14.580 align:middle line:84% And I was wondering where the collaboration came in? 00:00:14.580 --> 00:00:16.379 align:middle line:84% Was it by talking about what you were 00:00:16.379 --> 00:00:19.200 align:middle line:84% going to do tonight or some future work? 00:00:19.200 --> 00:00:22.180 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:00:22.180 --> 00:00:22.680 align:middle line:90% 00:00:22.680 --> 00:00:23.360 align:middle line:90% Yes it was-- 00:00:23.360 --> 00:00:25.140 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 00:00:25.140 --> 00:00:31.420 align:middle line:84% We started talking about it a long time ago, 00:00:31.420 --> 00:00:34.500 align:middle line:84% but there were a lot of ideas that were 00:00:34.500 --> 00:00:40.000 align:middle line:90% brewing in our conversations. 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:45.760 align:middle line:84% And then we just kind of accidentally 00:00:45.760 --> 00:00:48.370 align:middle line:84% stumbled into this common territory 00:00:48.370 --> 00:00:50.380 align:middle line:90% and decided to work with it. 00:00:50.380 --> 00:00:56.282 align:middle line:84% And I hadn't seen her piece until today. 00:00:56.282 --> 00:00:59.252 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 00:00:59.252 --> 00:01:00.710 align:middle line:84% But yeah, we were talking about it. 00:01:00.710 --> 00:01:05.459 align:middle line:84% So there was a lot of exchange and a lot of trying to-- 00:01:05.459 --> 00:01:08.380 align:middle line:84% I felt like my role was to provide 00:01:08.380 --> 00:01:15.880 align:middle line:84% a runway for Claudia's piece and to give it some kind of-- 00:01:15.880 --> 00:01:20.170 align:middle line:84% just to prepare the audience in some way for it. 00:01:20.170 --> 00:01:22.180 align:middle line:84% I don't think that's true because she hadn't 00:01:22.180 --> 00:01:23.480 align:middle line:90% seen the piece until today. 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:26.950 align:middle line:84% So the runway is not actually-- but I think that you were-- 00:01:26.950 --> 00:01:28.720 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:01:28.720 --> 00:01:33.250 align:middle line:84% But I think Christine was interested in the pieces 00:01:33.250 --> 00:01:36.880 align:middle line:84% that she pulled forward had to do with Trayvon 00:01:36.880 --> 00:01:43.910 align:middle line:84% Martin in that the world of the kind of political repression 00:01:43.910 --> 00:01:48.170 align:middle line:84% got addressed in all of the sound pieces 00:01:48.170 --> 00:01:50.270 align:middle line:90% that she brought forward. 00:01:50.270 --> 00:01:54.200 align:middle line:84% And so in that way, I think we were thinking about what it 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:58.340 align:middle line:90% meant to be in Trayvon's body. 00:01:58.340 --> 00:02:00.800 align:middle line:84% And so I think even though we weren't 00:02:00.800 --> 00:02:03.950 align:middle line:84% looking at each other's pieces and remembering them, 00:02:03.950 --> 00:02:07.130 align:middle line:84% when I finally sent the text to Christine 00:02:07.130 --> 00:02:09.820 align:middle line:84% and then she sent me her text and she 00:02:09.820 --> 00:02:12.650 align:middle line:84% began to fold in these moments that I 00:02:12.650 --> 00:02:18.030 align:middle line:84% had culled from these Black poets who I had spoken to, 00:02:18.030 --> 00:02:22.130 align:middle line:84% and so that kind of became part of the text, 00:02:22.130 --> 00:02:26.660 align:middle line:84% in part in the way of organic pulling together 00:02:26.660 --> 00:02:31.290 align:middle line:84% the material that you did in the time that you've been here, 00:02:31.290 --> 00:02:33.758 align:middle line:84% which is what I heard in your piece. 00:02:33.758 --> 00:02:36.614 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] 00:02:36.614 --> 00:02:41.680 align:middle line:84% Thanks, the pulling together, that's a beautiful thing. 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:44.950 align:middle line:84% In the Mapuche, people of the South of Chile, 00:02:44.950 --> 00:02:48.760 align:middle line:84% the Indigenous people of the South of Chile, 00:02:48.760 --> 00:02:54.850 align:middle line:84% the kind of song that a woman that sings from hurt is doing 00:02:54.850 --> 00:02:57.490 align:middle line:90% is called pulling. 00:02:57.490 --> 00:03:03.430 align:middle line:84% And because when you sing in that form and you do things 00:03:03.430 --> 00:03:08.560 align:middle line:84% that nobody cares for, you see I come here in veneration, 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:13.000 align:middle line:84% in adoration, of this desert that is being destroyed. 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:16.870 align:middle line:84% I come here in veneration for the Yaqui culture, 00:03:16.870 --> 00:03:19.390 align:middle line:84% for the ancient cultures of this place. 00:03:19.390 --> 00:03:22.450 align:middle line:90% And it's-- boom-- 00:03:22.450 --> 00:03:24.790 align:middle line:90% going, going, going. 00:03:24.790 --> 00:03:25.780 align:middle line:90% You know? 00:03:25.780 --> 00:03:31.870 align:middle line:84% And so how can I respond to that other than by crying, crying, 00:03:31.870 --> 00:03:34.690 align:middle line:90% in a tone that nobody cares for. 00:03:34.690 --> 00:03:37.100 align:middle line:90% In a [? pulling ?] tone. 00:03:37.100 --> 00:03:39.590 align:middle line:84% Now, the Mapuche think that when you 00:03:39.590 --> 00:03:43.800 align:middle line:84% pull things that are worthless, that are nothing, from nothing, 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:49.070 align:middle line:84% to nothing, the ancestors come and all the forces come. 00:03:49.070 --> 00:03:52.160 align:middle line:84% So this pulling together that you are doing, 00:03:52.160 --> 00:03:55.640 align:middle line:84% it really freezes my blood, it freezes it, 00:03:55.640 --> 00:03:57.560 align:middle line:90% because it changes it. 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:02.690 align:middle line:84% When you asked for us to close our eyes, I really did. 00:04:02.690 --> 00:04:08.660 align:middle line:84% And I was feeling the rhythm of my blood change 00:04:08.660 --> 00:04:13.430 align:middle line:84% by just the idea of going into an alleyway where 00:04:13.430 --> 00:04:16.640 align:middle line:90% you are the dangerous one. 00:04:16.640 --> 00:04:20.510 align:middle line:84% I remember a Latin American friend 00:04:20.510 --> 00:04:23.330 align:middle line:84% who was coming to New York, and he 00:04:23.330 --> 00:04:25.580 align:middle line:84% had been told New York is very dangerous. 00:04:25.580 --> 00:04:28.100 align:middle line:90% Don't go into the subway. 00:04:28.100 --> 00:04:30.830 align:middle line:90% So the poor man was terrified. 00:04:30.830 --> 00:04:34.430 align:middle line:84% And finally, he decided to go into the subway. 00:04:34.430 --> 00:04:38.540 align:middle line:84% He enters into a car, do you call the car, 00:04:38.540 --> 00:04:40.550 align:middle line:90% what do you call it-- 00:04:40.550 --> 00:04:41.960 align:middle line:90% the car. 00:04:41.960 --> 00:04:44.900 align:middle line:84% He sits, and people immediately leave. 00:04:44.900 --> 00:04:48.980 align:middle line:84% Of course, he hadn't noticed that he was Black. 00:04:48.980 --> 00:04:53.171 align:middle line:90% So it's who is scared of who? 00:04:53.171 --> 00:04:57.260 align:middle line:84% So this pulling together is probably the one thing 00:04:57.260 --> 00:04:59.410 align:middle line:90% that we can do.