WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.920 align:middle line:90% 00:00:01.920 --> 00:00:04.860 align:middle line:90% So, do we take Q&A? 00:00:04.860 --> 00:00:06.540 align:middle line:90% Do we do question and answer? 00:00:06.540 --> 00:00:10.230 align:middle line:84% I'm totally interested in questions if people have them, 00:00:10.230 --> 00:00:12.500 align:middle line:90% or thoughts, or secrets. 00:00:12.500 --> 00:00:13.000 align:middle line:90% Yeah? 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:16.129 align:middle line:84% Is this a comment on the Bush era. 00:00:16.129 --> 00:00:18.780 align:middle line:90% Yeah, that and bigger. 00:00:18.780 --> 00:00:21.090 align:middle line:90% That and ongoing, yeah, yeah. 00:00:21.090 --> 00:00:24.720 align:middle line:84% Yeah, it's me having fun with some of that stuff. 00:00:24.720 --> 00:00:28.840 align:middle line:84% Our little relationship with other countries, yeah. 00:00:28.840 --> 00:00:30.100 align:middle line:90% Yes? 00:00:30.100 --> 00:00:33.520 align:middle line:84% Is it hard to write about intimate like that? 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:36.230 align:middle line:84% I find it fun, but that's just me. 00:00:36.230 --> 00:00:37.840 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:40.790 align:middle line:84% Is it OK to read stuff like that? 00:00:40.790 --> 00:00:43.150 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:00:43.150 --> 00:00:46.330 align:middle line:84% Yeah, I think it's good to write about stuff like that. 00:00:46.330 --> 00:00:48.700 align:middle line:84% Do you want more of an answer to that question? 00:00:48.700 --> 00:00:50.350 align:middle line:84% You know, Elizabeth mentioned that I 00:00:50.350 --> 00:00:51.730 align:middle line:90% had studied with Tom Spanbauer. 00:00:51.730 --> 00:00:57.370 align:middle line:84% And I think part of what makes Tom have such an impression 00:00:57.370 --> 00:00:59.350 align:middle line:84% on some of his students is that he really 00:00:59.350 --> 00:01:02.410 align:middle line:84% encourages people to write about whatever they want to write 00:01:02.410 --> 00:01:05.060 align:middle line:90% about that matters to them. 00:01:05.060 --> 00:01:07.072 align:middle line:84% And that was a place where people would-- 00:01:07.072 --> 00:01:08.530 align:middle line:84% I don't know how to put it exactly. 00:01:08.530 --> 00:01:09.490 align:middle line:90% They welcomed my stuff. 00:01:09.490 --> 00:01:12.400 align:middle line:84% And Chuck Palahniuk joined the group too, shortly after I did. 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:14.590 align:middle line:90% And he and I really clicked. 00:01:14.590 --> 00:01:17.170 align:middle line:84% He really laughed at a lot of my jokes, and I laughed at his. 00:01:17.170 --> 00:01:20.020 align:middle line:84% So that kind of fostered that willingness 00:01:20.020 --> 00:01:23.680 align:middle line:84% to write about things, maybe that other people wouldn't 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:25.660 align:middle line:90% write about. 00:01:25.660 --> 00:01:28.450 align:middle line:84% When I met Tom Spanbauer, one of the first things he said-- 00:01:28.450 --> 00:01:32.650 align:middle line:84% I paid $35 to take a class from him that pretty much has never 00:01:32.650 --> 00:01:33.333 align:middle line:90% ended, right? 00:01:33.333 --> 00:01:34.750 align:middle line:84% I can keep going back at any time. 00:01:34.750 --> 00:01:36.550 align:middle line:90% That was in '91. 00:01:36.550 --> 00:01:40.620 align:middle line:84% And the first day, he told us that he was HIV positive 00:01:40.620 --> 00:01:42.370 align:middle line:84% and he didn't know how long he would live, 00:01:42.370 --> 00:01:44.350 align:middle line:84% and he wanted to write what mattered to him. 00:01:44.350 --> 00:01:47.590 align:middle line:84% And when someone says that, it was really strong stuff. 00:01:47.590 --> 00:01:50.350 align:middle line:84% And now, all these years later, he's still 00:01:50.350 --> 00:01:51.910 align:middle line:90% he's still doing fine. 00:01:51.910 --> 00:01:55.837 align:middle line:84% So it was a little lesson in always writing what you really 00:01:55.837 --> 00:01:58.420 align:middle line:84% want to write about, regardless of how other people might feel 00:01:58.420 --> 00:02:00.590 align:middle line:90% about it, if that makes sense. 00:02:00.590 --> 00:02:01.840 align:middle line:90% Maybe I didn't put that right. 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:04.048 align:middle line:84% It's not that I don't want to overlook other people's 00:02:04.048 --> 00:02:05.162 align:middle line:90% feelings, but-- 00:02:05.162 --> 00:02:07.660 align:middle line:90% Do you shock a lot of people? 00:02:07.660 --> 00:02:08.410 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:02:08.410 --> 00:02:11.170 align:middle line:90% 00:02:11.170 --> 00:02:13.590 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:02:13.590 --> 00:02:15.960 align:middle line:90% Are there other questions? 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:16.530 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:02:16.530 --> 00:02:20.250 align:middle line:84% Do you find it it's hard to get stories 00:02:20.250 --> 00:02:23.340 align:middle line:84% that have that absurdity level in it published? 00:02:23.340 --> 00:02:25.050 align:middle line:84% Or is that something that people are 00:02:25.050 --> 00:02:27.750 align:middle line:84% kind of gravitating towards these days? 00:02:27.750 --> 00:02:30.538 align:middle line:84% I think publishing is kind of hard all around. 00:02:30.538 --> 00:02:31.080 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:33.205 align:middle line:84% Other people might have found it easier than I did. 00:02:33.205 --> 00:02:34.680 align:middle line:90% I haven't had an easy route. 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:38.873 align:middle line:84% I'm always glad when people receive my stuff well. 00:02:38.873 --> 00:02:40.790 align:middle line:84% Which it has been received, but there's always 00:02:40.790 --> 00:02:43.790 align:middle line:84% an element of struggle to it, for whatever reason. 00:02:43.790 --> 00:02:47.460 align:middle line:84% Do you think that that's the sort of absurd-- 00:02:47.460 --> 00:02:49.920 align:middle line:84% like, the absurdity in it is something-- 00:02:49.920 --> 00:02:51.128 align:middle line:90% I mean, I know I'm attracted. 00:02:51.128 --> 00:02:53.503 align:middle line:84% Like, that's the thing I really loved about your writing. 00:02:53.503 --> 00:02:54.352 align:middle line:90% Yeah, thank you. 00:02:54.352 --> 00:02:55.394 align:middle line:90% Other people love it too. 00:02:55.394 --> 00:02:57.840 align:middle line:84% And I wonder if it's harder to pitch. 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:59.760 align:middle line:84% What I've gathered along the way is 00:02:59.760 --> 00:03:02.070 align:middle line:84% that, particularly in Clown Girl, 00:03:02.070 --> 00:03:04.560 align:middle line:84% it's that my female roles aren't always the ones that we're 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:05.380 align:middle line:90% used to seeing. 00:03:05.380 --> 00:03:08.790 align:middle line:84% And so people sometimes have a hard time 00:03:08.790 --> 00:03:12.930 align:middle line:84% finding a spot for it, if that makes sense. 00:03:12.930 --> 00:03:13.440 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:03:13.440 --> 00:03:15.232 align:middle line:84% And that's part of what Kristen Wiig really 00:03:15.232 --> 00:03:18.750 align:middle line:84% liked about it, too, just the female characters 00:03:18.750 --> 00:03:19.902 align:middle line:90% that are in it. 00:03:19.902 --> 00:03:21.360 align:middle line:84% So I think more than the absurdity, 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.180 align:middle line:90% it's some gender stuff maybe. 00:03:24.180 --> 00:03:26.340 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:26.840 align:middle line:90% Yeah? 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:34.400 align:middle line:84% Well, in Clown Girl, the main character is a clown 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:38.900 align:middle line:90% and she views her work as art. 00:03:38.900 --> 00:03:43.310 align:middle line:84% And things aren't so good for being a clown. 00:03:43.310 --> 00:03:46.310 align:middle line:84% And so she gets into this position where 00:03:46.310 --> 00:03:49.310 align:middle line:84% it's kind of like she and her clown friends 00:03:49.310 --> 00:03:51.740 align:middle line:84% are sort of veering toward having 00:03:51.740 --> 00:03:54.680 align:middle line:90% to be almost like prostitutes. 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.660 align:middle line:90% Is that a larger commentary? 00:03:57.660 --> 00:04:00.408 align:middle line:90% 00:04:00.408 --> 00:04:02.450 align:middle line:84% I'm not sure if I'm answering this exactly right, 00:04:02.450 --> 00:04:05.930 align:middle line:84% but in the real world of clowns, there really 00:04:05.930 --> 00:04:07.598 align:middle line:90% is a big continuum of clowning. 00:04:07.598 --> 00:04:09.890 align:middle line:84% And there really are a lot of evangelical and Christian 00:04:09.890 --> 00:04:13.460 align:middle line:84% clowns and clown ministries who are very intent on spreading 00:04:13.460 --> 00:04:14.870 align:middle line:90% the word of God as clowns. 00:04:14.870 --> 00:04:16.880 align:middle line:84% And at the other end, there is a whole realm 00:04:16.880 --> 00:04:18.170 align:middle line:90% of clown prostitution. 00:04:18.170 --> 00:04:19.850 align:middle line:90% There are clown porn websites. 00:04:19.850 --> 00:04:24.770 align:middle line:84% There's, like, the whole kind of dark sexual side of clowning. 00:04:24.770 --> 00:04:27.483 align:middle line:84% And in between, you have everything else. 00:04:27.483 --> 00:04:29.150 align:middle line:84% I put him on that continuum because it's 00:04:29.150 --> 00:04:33.400 align:middle line:84% sort of from the hell to God, or however you want to look at it. 00:04:33.400 --> 00:04:37.710 align:middle line:84% But, in between, you have people who view clowning as an art 00:04:37.710 --> 00:04:40.243 align:middle line:84% or as personal expression, or even just as a daily-- 00:04:40.243 --> 00:04:41.910 align:middle line:84% there are people who just dress in clown 00:04:41.910 --> 00:04:45.060 align:middle line:84% wear sometimes who aren't professional clowns. 00:04:45.060 --> 00:04:47.160 align:middle line:84% And there are people who you think 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:51.700 align:middle line:84% are in clown wear who don't know that they're wearing that. 00:04:51.700 --> 00:04:55.562 align:middle line:84% But, for me, at the time I was writing that-- 00:04:55.562 --> 00:04:57.270 align:middle line:84% I think maybe this is what you're asking. 00:04:57.270 --> 00:05:01.770 align:middle line:84% I had a very hard time selling that book 00:05:01.770 --> 00:05:04.920 align:middle line:84% or any other book, the books I had written before that. 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.820 align:middle line:84% And to kind of keep it fun for myself, in some ways 00:05:08.820 --> 00:05:11.700 align:middle line:84% I'm kind of making fun of my own position 00:05:11.700 --> 00:05:12.753 align:middle line:90% on the writing continuum. 00:05:12.753 --> 00:05:14.670 align:middle line:84% That I wanted to write what I wanted to write, 00:05:14.670 --> 00:05:16.710 align:middle line:84% the way Anita wants to do her clown show. 00:05:16.710 --> 00:05:18.677 align:middle line:84% She wants to interpret Kafka into clowning. 00:05:18.677 --> 00:05:20.010 align:middle line:90% And that's what she wants to do. 00:05:20.010 --> 00:05:22.320 align:middle line:84% And she could move a little bit in different directions 00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:24.150 align:middle line:84% and make more money at what she's doing, 00:05:24.150 --> 00:05:25.560 align:middle line:90% but that's not where she's at. 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.982 align:middle line:84% So I'm sort of making a comment on how 00:05:28.982 --> 00:05:30.690 align:middle line:84% I felt about my own writing a little bit. 00:05:30.690 --> 00:05:33.900 align:middle line:84% Like, I want to write what I want to write. 00:05:33.900 --> 00:05:37.690 align:middle line:84% But you can see there's money in other branches of it. 00:05:37.690 --> 00:05:40.230 align:middle line:90% Does that make sense, kind of? 00:05:40.230 --> 00:05:45.220 align:middle line:84% Yeah, so she kind of keeps sort of banging her head 00:05:45.220 --> 00:05:47.320 align:middle line:84% against the wall trying to get this big clown gig. 00:05:47.320 --> 00:05:48.430 align:middle line:84% And I guess, in some ways, I was kind 00:05:48.430 --> 00:05:49.600 align:middle line:84% of banging my head against the wall trying 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:50.725 align:middle line:90% to get that book out there. 00:05:50.725 --> 00:05:54.030 align:middle line:90% 00:05:54.030 --> 00:05:54.950 align:middle line:90% Yeah? 00:05:54.950 --> 00:05:56.180 align:middle line:90% What's next? 00:05:56.180 --> 00:05:58.640 align:middle line:84% The next book is coming out a year from now. 00:05:58.640 --> 00:06:02.450 align:middle line:90% And it's called The Stud Book. 00:06:02.450 --> 00:06:05.030 align:middle line:90% It's set up at the Oregon Zoo. 00:06:05.030 --> 00:06:07.220 align:middle line:84% And it's about different people in Portland. 00:06:07.220 --> 00:06:10.250 align:middle line:84% It's roughly set in Portland, and kind 00:06:10.250 --> 00:06:12.560 align:middle line:84% of the whole question of bringing 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.350 align:middle line:90% more children into the world. 00:06:15.350 --> 00:06:17.998 align:middle line:84% It's about the compulsion to have babies. 00:06:17.998 --> 00:06:19.790 align:middle line:84% I guess I'm a little conflicted about that. 00:06:19.790 --> 00:06:21.980 align:middle line:84% I've got a super cool kid, and I love her more than anything 00:06:21.980 --> 00:06:22.550 align:middle line:90% else in the world. 00:06:22.550 --> 00:06:24.467 align:middle line:84% But when I see a lot of kids, sometimes I just 00:06:24.467 --> 00:06:26.930 align:middle line:90% feel some concern. 00:06:26.930 --> 00:06:29.630 align:middle line:84% So I tried to just work that into a book. 00:06:29.630 --> 00:06:31.130 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:06:31.130 --> 00:06:34.610 align:middle line:84% Will you do short stories like you read tonight? 00:06:34.610 --> 00:06:37.700 align:middle line:84% Yeah, I always do these back and forth. 00:06:37.700 --> 00:06:40.280 align:middle line:84% But, you know, the novels are more 00:06:40.280 --> 00:06:44.002 align:middle line:84% what people are looking for in publishing, I think. 00:06:44.002 --> 00:06:44.960 align:middle line:90% I could ask these guys. 00:06:44.960 --> 00:06:47.750 align:middle line:84% Other people might have opinions on that. 00:06:47.750 --> 00:06:50.690 align:middle line:84% I like short stories too, and essays. 00:06:50.690 --> 00:06:52.820 align:middle line:90% I like short stories. 00:06:52.820 --> 00:06:53.390 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:06:53.390 --> 00:06:55.800 align:middle line:84% I'm glad to hear that, a short story writer and reader. 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:56.300 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:06:56.300 --> 00:06:56.990 align:middle line:90% Do you write them too? 00:06:56.990 --> 00:06:57.440 align:middle line:90% No. 00:06:57.440 --> 00:06:58.640 align:middle line:90% Just, you like reading them? 00:06:58.640 --> 00:06:59.140 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:06:59.140 --> 00:07:02.870 align:middle line:90% I think because it's a snippet. 00:07:02.870 --> 00:07:04.910 align:middle line:90% You read it and then it's done. 00:07:04.910 --> 00:07:06.410 align:middle line:84% And where if it's a book, you end up 00:07:06.410 --> 00:07:08.202 align:middle line:84% staying up half the night if you really get 00:07:08.202 --> 00:07:09.260 align:middle line:90% engrossed in part of it. 00:07:09.260 --> 00:07:09.760 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:07:09.760 --> 00:07:11.570 align:middle line:90% So I like that little piece. 00:07:11.570 --> 00:07:13.610 align:middle line:84% Yeah, short stories can be so amazing, 00:07:13.610 --> 00:07:17.450 align:middle line:84% the way they can stay with you or kind of expand in your mind. 00:07:17.450 --> 00:07:20.600 align:middle line:84% You just read it and then carry it around. 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:23.900 align:middle line:84% And individual lines can just come to the fore, 00:07:23.900 --> 00:07:26.840 align:middle line:84% and you can just remember single lines. 00:07:26.840 --> 00:07:29.960 align:middle line:84% They seem more intense because you're 00:07:29.960 --> 00:07:33.980 align:middle line:84% having to condense everything into a small area. 00:07:33.980 --> 00:07:37.220 align:middle line:84% So it's almost like prose poetry, 00:07:37.220 --> 00:07:40.050 align:middle line:84% so that you're condensing into a small area. 00:07:40.050 --> 00:07:40.550 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:07:40.550 --> 00:07:43.470 align:middle line:90% 00:07:43.470 --> 00:07:44.850 align:middle line:90% Other questions? 00:07:44.850 --> 00:07:45.467 align:middle line:90% Thoughts? 00:07:45.467 --> 00:07:46.050 align:middle line:90% Oh, over here. 00:07:46.050 --> 00:07:46.920 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.400 align:middle line:90% How do you feel about Almodovar? 00:07:50.400 --> 00:07:54.270 align:middle line:84% Well, I'm not an expert on his work. 00:07:54.270 --> 00:07:57.810 align:middle line:84% I think a lot of it's pretty funny, from what I've seen. 00:07:57.810 --> 00:07:59.730 align:middle line:90% Some of it's pretty funny. 00:07:59.730 --> 00:08:01.440 align:middle line:90% Are you questioning-- 00:08:01.440 --> 00:08:02.500 align:middle line:90% His darkness. 00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:03.000 align:middle line:90% Uh-huh. 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:03.833 align:middle line:90% [INTERPOSING VOICES] 00:08:03.833 --> 00:08:04.530 align:middle line:90% Uh-huh. 00:08:04.530 --> 00:08:08.388 align:middle line:84% And I sort of sensed a kinship between you and him. 00:08:08.388 --> 00:08:09.180 align:middle line:90% That's interesting. 00:08:09.180 --> 00:08:10.200 align:middle line:84% I hadn't really thought about that. 00:08:10.200 --> 00:08:10.957 align:middle line:90% I like his work. 00:08:10.957 --> 00:08:12.290 align:middle line:90% I find a lot of it pretty funny. 00:08:12.290 --> 00:08:14.750 align:middle line:84% I think that the actors and actresses he puts in 00:08:14.750 --> 00:08:16.460 align:middle line:84% are usually pretty great to look at. 00:08:16.460 --> 00:08:18.090 align:middle line:90% They always are interesting. 00:08:18.090 --> 00:08:21.320 align:middle line:84% So I appreciate all of that element. 00:08:21.320 --> 00:08:23.840 align:middle line:84% I know some people have some controversial questions 00:08:23.840 --> 00:08:27.140 align:middle line:84% about his gender politics and stuff, 00:08:27.140 --> 00:08:28.910 align:middle line:84% but I don't really enter into all that. 00:08:28.910 --> 00:08:30.410 align:middle line:90% What's his name? 00:08:30.410 --> 00:08:33.500 align:middle line:90% Almodovar, filmmaker. 00:08:33.500 --> 00:08:36.530 align:middle line:84% It's funny you bring him up because he actually owns 00:08:36.530 --> 00:08:39.110 align:middle line:84% the film rights to one of Tom Spanbauer's-- you know, 00:08:39.110 --> 00:08:41.780 align:middle line:84% he optioned it, but he's never made it. 00:08:41.780 --> 00:08:43.580 align:middle line:90% Which one? 00:08:43.580 --> 00:08:48.110 align:middle line:84% I think it's The Man Who Fell in Love with the Moon. 00:08:48.110 --> 00:08:49.710 align:middle line:90% I think that's the one. 00:08:49.710 --> 00:08:53.100 align:middle line:90% Yeah, I think that's it. 00:08:53.100 --> 00:08:53.700 align:middle line:90% Question? 00:08:53.700 --> 00:08:54.477 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:08:54.477 --> 00:08:57.606 align:middle line:84% Could I ask you to read a page of Clown Girl? 00:08:57.606 --> 00:08:59.430 align:middle line:84% There's a copy of it there, and I just 00:08:59.430 --> 00:09:03.810 align:middle line:84% think people would enjoy hearing that he came in 00:09:03.810 --> 00:09:06.600 align:middle line:90% with the balloons. 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.390 align:middle line:90% Thank you for asking. 00:09:09.390 --> 00:09:10.920 align:middle line:90% Tell us about the cover, too. 00:09:10.920 --> 00:09:11.850 align:middle line:90% I love the cover. 00:09:11.850 --> 00:09:12.600 align:middle line:90% Isn't it good? 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:14.670 align:middle line:90% This guy lives in New York now. 00:09:14.670 --> 00:09:18.300 align:middle line:84% I didn't make it, so I can praise it without feeling like 00:09:18.300 --> 00:09:20.880 align:middle line:84% I'm praising myself because I didn't-- 00:09:20.880 --> 00:09:21.660 align:middle line:90% what is his name? 00:09:21.660 --> 00:09:23.295 align:middle line:84% I'm blanking on his name right now. 00:09:23.295 --> 00:09:26.430 align:middle line:90% 00:09:26.430 --> 00:09:28.860 align:middle line:84% He actually-- he bought a chicken 00:09:28.860 --> 00:09:32.640 align:middle line:84% and he stuffed it with sawdust and took this photo. 00:09:32.640 --> 00:09:34.840 align:middle line:90% And he worked on it. 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:39.120 align:middle line:84% It was a pretty great connection with the book. 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:40.410 align:middle line:90% I cannot remember his name. 00:09:40.410 --> 00:09:45.735 align:middle line:84% He moved to New York to work for a beer company in advertising. 00:09:45.735 --> 00:09:47.110 align:middle line:84% But I think he's still freelances 00:09:47.110 --> 00:09:49.200 align:middle line:90% some covers once in a while. 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:50.910 align:middle line:84% This cover, I told a friend, I said, 00:09:50.910 --> 00:09:52.140 align:middle line:90% oh the cover is so gorgeous. 00:09:52.140 --> 00:09:52.680 align:middle line:90% It's just great. 00:09:52.680 --> 00:09:53.350 align:middle line:90% I just love it. 00:09:53.350 --> 00:09:54.010 align:middle line:90% I just love it. 00:09:54.010 --> 00:09:56.135 align:middle line:84% And then she looked at it when it finally came out, 00:09:56.135 --> 00:10:00.030 align:middle line:84% and she was like, it's not really what I'd call gorgeous. 00:10:00.030 --> 00:10:01.230 align:middle line:90% But I think it's gorgeous. 00:10:01.230 --> 00:10:02.077 align:middle line:90% I think it's great. 00:10:02.077 --> 00:10:04.410 align:middle line:84% The guy who made it said he saw this as a kind of Christ 00:10:04.410 --> 00:10:05.400 align:middle line:90% figure too. 00:10:05.400 --> 00:10:06.990 align:middle line:84% It's kind of sexy, kind of Christ, 00:10:06.990 --> 00:10:09.898 align:middle line:90% kind of absurd and repulsive. 00:10:09.898 --> 00:10:10.440 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:11.430 align:middle line:90% Tell them about Plucky. 00:10:11.430 --> 00:10:11.940 align:middle line:90% What's that? 00:10:11.940 --> 00:10:13.080 align:middle line:90% Tell them about Plucky. 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:13.960 align:middle line:90% Plucky, in the book? 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:14.460 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:10:14.460 --> 00:10:16.252 align:middle line:84% Yeah, that's a part of the book, that she's 00:10:16.252 --> 00:10:17.880 align:middle line:84% got a rubber chicken that is very 00:10:17.880 --> 00:10:19.350 align:middle line:90% much sort of like her child. 00:10:19.350 --> 00:10:20.850 align:middle line:90% And yeah, that's part of it. 00:10:20.850 --> 00:10:23.850 align:middle line:84% She loses him and has to poster the neighborhood looking 00:10:23.850 --> 00:10:25.290 align:middle line:90% for her rubber chicken. 00:10:25.290 --> 00:10:27.390 align:middle line:84% And then she just gets a bunch of derelicts 00:10:27.390 --> 00:10:30.810 align:middle line:84% trying to get money from her by returning other rubber chickens 00:10:30.810 --> 00:10:33.925 align:middle line:90% that aren't her rubber chicken. 00:10:33.925 --> 00:10:36.050 align:middle line:84% I mean, because if you offer a reward for something 00:10:36.050 --> 00:10:39.500 align:middle line:84% like a rubber chicken, that's pretty easy to come by, right? 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