WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.600 align:middle line:90% 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:08.610 align:middle line:84% We have some time for questions, and if you can, 00:00:08.610 --> 00:00:11.430 align:middle line:84% speak into the mic or just speak really loud. 00:00:11.430 --> 00:00:17.810 align:middle line:90% 00:00:17.810 --> 00:00:19.580 align:middle line:84% People are left speechless I can see that. 00:00:19.580 --> 00:00:22.520 align:middle line:90% 00:00:22.520 --> 00:00:25.790 align:middle line:84% Do you write your poems longhand? 00:00:25.790 --> 00:00:30.980 align:middle line:84% Uh-oh, one of those kind of questions. 00:00:30.980 --> 00:00:32.135 align:middle line:90% A variety of modes. 00:00:32.135 --> 00:00:35.822 align:middle line:90% 00:00:35.822 --> 00:00:39.680 align:middle line:84% I grew up before the age of computers, 00:00:39.680 --> 00:00:48.380 align:middle line:84% and so I have learned to begin with handwriting 00:00:48.380 --> 00:00:53.510 align:middle line:84% and then going back and forth between one desk and another. 00:00:53.510 --> 00:00:58.620 align:middle line:90% 00:00:58.620 --> 00:01:02.010 align:middle line:84% But listen, if anybody has a question, that's 00:01:02.010 --> 00:01:06.970 align:middle line:84% too personal to ask to a group, come right up after, 00:01:06.970 --> 00:01:08.220 align:middle line:90% and you could ask me directly. 00:01:08.220 --> 00:01:11.220 align:middle line:90% 00:01:11.220 --> 00:01:12.480 align:middle line:90% Oh, OK. 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:23.390 align:middle line:90% 00:01:23.390 --> 00:01:25.540 align:middle line:84% I like how the poems that you read tonight focus 00:01:25.540 --> 00:01:28.990 align:middle line:84% on the lives of other people as opposed 00:01:28.990 --> 00:01:32.260 align:middle line:84% to say focusing exclusively on your life. 00:01:32.260 --> 00:01:39.370 align:middle line:84% And I'm curious to know has the way you approach writing 00:01:39.370 --> 00:01:42.700 align:middle line:84% about other people or how you choose 00:01:42.700 --> 00:01:44.110 align:middle line:90% other people as a subject-- 00:01:44.110 --> 00:01:46.875 align:middle line:84% has that-- do you think that's changed throughout your work? 00:01:46.875 --> 00:01:48.500 align:middle line:84% Has that always been a concern for you? 00:01:48.500 --> 00:01:50.350 align:middle line:90% Has it grown over time? 00:01:50.350 --> 00:01:53.290 align:middle line:90% Has it shifted? 00:01:53.290 --> 00:01:56.050 align:middle line:84% I like to believe it's grown over time, 00:01:56.050 --> 00:01:58.340 align:middle line:84% but I think it's always been there. 00:01:58.340 --> 00:02:05.680 align:middle line:84% I think it has to do with my feeling that I cannot write 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:07.150 align:middle line:90% a poem of inner turmoil. 00:02:07.150 --> 00:02:09.970 align:middle line:84% I mean, I occasionally do, but mainly I don't. 00:02:09.970 --> 00:02:14.020 align:middle line:84% And I don't think anybody's individual life 00:02:14.020 --> 00:02:17.800 align:middle line:84% is rich enough or interesting enough, 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:21.490 align:middle line:84% if it's like mine, to provide all the material that 00:02:21.490 --> 00:02:23.200 align:middle line:90% engages you. 00:02:23.200 --> 00:02:29.320 align:middle line:84% So I think-- and I admire fiction 00:02:29.320 --> 00:02:31.750 align:middle line:84% for including the world so directly, 00:02:31.750 --> 00:02:37.990 align:middle line:84% and I try to get that sense in my own work. 00:02:37.990 --> 00:02:43.150 align:middle line:84% That extra room, in this case, of the title of this manuscript 00:02:43.150 --> 00:02:45.040 align:middle line:90% is making room in part. 00:02:45.040 --> 00:02:47.110 align:middle line:84% One of the means is making part for people 00:02:47.110 --> 00:02:52.060 align:middle line:84% who are very different from me, and I hope as I've aged, 00:02:52.060 --> 00:02:55.540 align:middle line:84% I become more tolerant a variety than I 00:02:55.540 --> 00:03:01.685 align:middle line:84% was when I was a Young Turk and thought I knew everything. 00:03:01.685 --> 00:03:04.360 align:middle line:90% 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:06.730 align:middle line:84% I have another question, actually. 00:03:06.730 --> 00:03:07.360 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:10.510 align:middle line:84% Your poems also-- you're very peaceful. 00:03:10.510 --> 00:03:13.600 align:middle line:84% Like I had a really nice feeling of peacefulness 00:03:13.600 --> 00:03:18.280 align:middle line:84% throughout your reading, and I was curious if that is just 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:20.810 align:middle line:84% happens, because this is what you're writing about, 00:03:20.810 --> 00:03:22.810 align:middle line:84% this is how you're writing, or if it's an effect 00:03:22.810 --> 00:03:24.130 align:middle line:90% that you try to achieve. 00:03:24.130 --> 00:03:27.460 align:middle line:84% You say that I would like to write poetry that leaves people 00:03:27.460 --> 00:03:30.070 align:middle line:90% with a peaceful feeling. 00:03:30.070 --> 00:03:35.290 align:middle line:84% It's not the second certainly, and I 00:03:35.290 --> 00:03:36.710 align:middle line:90% get worried when you say that. 00:03:36.710 --> 00:03:38.350 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:03:38.350 --> 00:03:39.730 align:middle line:90% Not that peaceful. 00:03:39.730 --> 00:03:42.300 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:03:42.300 --> 00:03:43.880 align:middle line:90% Just peaceful enough. 00:03:43.880 --> 00:03:46.700 align:middle line:84% We want-- I mean, you like to believe 00:03:46.700 --> 00:03:51.630 align:middle line:84% that the poet is open to the troubles of the world. 00:03:51.630 --> 00:03:54.440 align:middle line:84% And if a poet is open to troubles to the world-- 00:03:54.440 --> 00:03:58.310 align:middle line:84% if the poet is peaceful, it's not open wide enough. 00:03:58.310 --> 00:04:07.805 align:middle line:84% And so it's funny, because I think these poems are 00:04:07.805 --> 00:04:09.050 align:middle line:90% full of raw feeling. 00:04:09.050 --> 00:04:14.270 align:middle line:84% Other people say, oh, it's so tranquil. 00:04:14.270 --> 00:04:19.760 align:middle line:84% So maybe there's a kind of a dialogue between that. 00:04:19.760 --> 00:04:24.470 align:middle line:84% I certainly don't try to write poems 00:04:24.470 --> 00:04:27.080 align:middle line:84% that I think are going to be pleasing, 00:04:27.080 --> 00:04:29.090 align:middle line:84% but I don't think I'm happy with the poem 00:04:29.090 --> 00:04:32.390 align:middle line:84% until I've found a way through the material. 00:04:32.390 --> 00:04:37.220 align:middle line:84% And it doesn't mean that things are neatly closed off, 00:04:37.220 --> 00:04:46.550 align:middle line:84% but it means that I've come to some position of acceptance 00:04:46.550 --> 00:04:49.490 align:middle line:84% or accommodation some of the time. 00:04:49.490 --> 00:04:51.440 align:middle line:84% I didn't read any of my angry poems tonight. 00:04:51.440 --> 00:04:53.830 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:04:53.830 --> 00:04:55.750 align:middle line:90% 00:04:55.750 --> 00:04:56.480 align:middle line:90% Mr. Dennis? 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:57.320 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:04:57.320 --> 00:05:01.530 align:middle line:84% That poem about the hotel, is that based on a real hotel? 00:05:01.530 --> 00:05:05.660 align:middle line:90% No, no it wasn't. 00:05:05.660 --> 00:05:07.310 align:middle line:90% It seemed very real. 00:05:07.310 --> 00:05:08.420 align:middle line:90% Well, good. 00:05:08.420 --> 00:05:15.080 align:middle line:84% No, I was just thinking about walking past a hotel. 00:05:15.080 --> 00:05:19.270 align:middle line:84% Clearly it wasn't the first rank and how one could defend it. 00:05:19.270 --> 00:05:23.090 align:middle line:84% Will be the best defense you could give a hotel like that. 00:05:23.090 --> 00:05:24.290 align:middle line:90% This is what I came up with. 00:05:24.290 --> 00:05:28.400 align:middle line:90% 00:05:28.400 --> 00:05:32.670 align:middle line:90% I have a question over here. 00:05:32.670 --> 00:05:34.033 align:middle line:90% Oh. 00:05:34.033 --> 00:05:35.840 align:middle line:90% I have a question about-- 00:05:35.840 --> 00:05:41.330 align:middle line:84% I really like the title of your new book and the theme of it, 00:05:41.330 --> 00:05:44.280 align:middle line:84% and it's something I feel like I think about all the time. 00:05:44.280 --> 00:05:47.360 align:middle line:84% I wonder if you would just talk a bit about if you just 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:49.520 align:middle line:84% came to the title after writing some poems 00:05:49.520 --> 00:05:53.270 align:middle line:84% or if this was something that you had been thinking about 00:05:53.270 --> 00:05:55.670 align:middle line:90% that you wanted to write about. 00:05:55.670 --> 00:06:03.110 align:middle line:84% I had many other titles that fell by the wayside. 00:06:03.110 --> 00:06:07.580 align:middle line:84% I thought this was the title that you could-- 00:06:07.580 --> 00:06:09.410 align:middle line:84% all the poems seem to fit in the rubric, 00:06:09.410 --> 00:06:11.570 align:middle line:90% because it was so broad. 00:06:11.570 --> 00:06:16.340 align:middle line:84% And it suggested something of what 00:06:16.340 --> 00:06:18.830 align:middle line:84% I was trying to do in terms of accommodation. 00:06:18.830 --> 00:06:23.000 align:middle line:84% I think-- look, there are a couple 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.180 align:middle line:84% of different types of poets in the world. 00:06:26.180 --> 00:06:27.770 align:middle line:84% Emily Dickinson and Walt Whitman are 00:06:27.770 --> 00:06:29.900 align:middle line:90% two great American masters-- 00:06:29.900 --> 00:06:33.110 align:middle line:84% our 19th century mother and father who hover over us. 00:06:33.110 --> 00:06:37.190 align:middle line:84% You can never entitle a book of Emily Dickinson Extra Room, 00:06:37.190 --> 00:06:41.570 align:middle line:84% because she's an a moral aristocrat, 00:06:41.570 --> 00:06:45.830 align:middle line:84% and she works by fine gradations and distinctions 00:06:45.830 --> 00:06:47.630 align:middle line:90% and subtle demarcations. 00:06:47.630 --> 00:06:52.272 align:middle line:84% And anything so gross in general as Extra Room-- 00:06:52.272 --> 00:06:54.230 align:middle line:84% But Whitman would love that title, wouldn't he? 00:06:54.230 --> 00:06:55.190 align:middle line:90% Extra Room, yeah. 00:06:55.190 --> 00:07:00.230 align:middle line:84% Whitman is-- there's nothing outside of Whitman's prospect. 00:07:00.230 --> 00:07:03.830 align:middle line:84% So it's not a title for every mood and every occasion, 00:07:03.830 --> 00:07:09.230 align:middle line:84% but I'm glad it resonates with you. 00:07:09.230 --> 00:07:11.935 align:middle line:84% Well, that's a good question to end on now. 00:07:11.935 --> 00:07:13.310 align:middle line:84% Really, I'll be here for a while, 00:07:13.310 --> 00:07:19.040 align:middle line:84% and anybody who wants to come up and talk is welcome to. 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:20.005 align:middle line:90% Thank you so much Carl. 00:07:20.005 --> 00:07:20.630 align:middle line:90% Thank you all-- 00:07:20.630 --> 00:07:23.980 align:middle line:90% [APPLAUSE] 00:07:23.980 --> 00:07:30.454 align:middle line:90%