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So I was interviewed shortly
after this came out by somebody

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on a radio station in New York.

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And he said, why do
you say no nature?

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And I said, well to avoid
any excessively easy nature

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[INAUDIBLE].

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But what I really
was referring to

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was something by the 18th
century Zen Master Hakuin,

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which I'm quoting
here, from a thing

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that he called
the Song of Zazen,

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soft nature that is no nature
far beyond mere doctrine.

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Soft nature is no nature
far beyond mere doctrine.

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So don't try to
put a name on it.

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[SPEAKING JAPANESE]

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