So I was interviewed shortly after this came out by somebody
on a radio station in New York.
And he said, why do you say no nature?
And I said, well to avoid any excessively easy nature
[INAUDIBLE].
But what I really was referring to
was something by the 18th century Zen Master Hakuin,
which I'm quoting here, from a thing
that he called the Song of Zazen,
soft nature that is no nature far beyond mere doctrine.
Soft nature is no nature far beyond mere doctrine.
So don't try to put a name on it.
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