WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.650 align:middle line:84% Anybody got any questions or want to talk about anything, 00:00:02.650 --> 00:00:03.559 align:middle line:90% I'd be glad to. 00:00:03.559 --> 00:00:04.059 align:middle line:90% Yes? 00:00:04.059 --> 00:00:06.540 align:middle line:90% Is this the collage poem? 00:00:06.540 --> 00:00:09.240 align:middle line:84% Oh, collage poem is one that's cut out. 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:11.160 align:middle line:84% I run quite a few of them at Kayak. 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:12.150 align:middle line:90% I don't do them myself. 00:00:12.150 --> 00:00:15.810 align:middle line:84% But you take a pair of scissors, and you cut things out-- 00:00:15.810 --> 00:00:18.780 align:middle line:84% headlines, or things out of a magazine, or stuff like that. 00:00:18.780 --> 00:00:21.362 align:middle line:84% And you assemble them, and make a poem out of them. 00:00:21.362 --> 00:00:23.710 align:middle line:90% Is it a found poem? 00:00:23.710 --> 00:00:24.210 align:middle line:90% Well, no. 00:00:24.210 --> 00:00:26.880 align:middle line:84% The found poem is not actually cut up in any way. 00:00:26.880 --> 00:00:29.752 align:middle line:84% It is, in the sense the material is found. 00:00:29.752 --> 00:00:30.720 align:middle line:90% Yeah, in that sense. 00:00:30.720 --> 00:00:33.840 align:middle line:84% But you actually arrange it physically so 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:37.350 align:middle line:84% that it has a visual and artistic effect as well 00:00:37.350 --> 00:00:40.410 align:middle line:90% as the auditory one. 00:00:40.410 --> 00:00:41.310 align:middle line:90% It's a lot of fun-- 00:00:41.310 --> 00:00:43.050 align:middle line:84% a pair of scissors and an old copy 00:00:43.050 --> 00:00:47.760 align:middle line:84% of some dreadful magazine, and some advertising. 00:00:47.760 --> 00:00:50.310 align:middle line:84% You really come up with an interesting collage poem, 00:00:50.310 --> 00:00:51.030 align:middle line:90% often. 00:00:51.030 --> 00:00:53.590 align:middle line:90% Somebody else? 00:00:53.590 --> 00:00:54.250 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:00:54.250 --> 00:00:56.258 align:middle line:84% You read the last poem you've written, 00:00:56.258 --> 00:00:58.430 align:middle line:90% that you have with you? 00:00:58.430 --> 00:01:01.140 align:middle line:84% The last poem that I've written that I have with me? 00:01:01.140 --> 00:01:06.580 align:middle line:90% 00:01:06.580 --> 00:01:07.080 align:middle line:90% Oh. 00:01:07.080 --> 00:01:08.220 align:middle line:84% I think one of those that I've read's 00:01:08.220 --> 00:01:09.570 align:middle line:90% probably as recent as any. 00:01:09.570 --> 00:01:11.400 align:middle line:84% The trouble with answering that question 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.133 align:middle line:84% is that I'm always working on poems. 00:01:13.133 --> 00:01:14.550 align:middle line:84% And sometimes, it takes six months 00:01:14.550 --> 00:01:15.975 align:middle line:90% before I'm happy with them. 00:01:15.975 --> 00:01:18.100 align:middle line:84% And I'm always working on several at the same time. 00:01:18.100 --> 00:01:20.880 align:middle line:84% So I never really can date anything. 00:01:20.880 --> 00:01:23.250 align:middle line:84% All of those last five or six poems that I've read 00:01:23.250 --> 00:01:26.100 align:middle line:84% were all written within this last year, anyway. 00:01:26.100 --> 00:01:30.790 align:middle line:84% But I use names that go through a great many alterations 00:01:30.790 --> 00:01:33.750 align:middle line:90% and personality changes. 00:01:33.750 --> 00:01:36.488 align:middle line:84% So I never know what the hell is the last poem I wrote. 00:01:36.488 --> 00:01:38.430 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:01:38.430 --> 00:01:38.680 align:middle line:90% 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:39.180 align:middle line:90% Really. 00:01:39.180 --> 00:01:41.840 align:middle line:90% 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:43.301 align:middle line:90% Anybody else? 00:01:43.301 --> 00:01:44.933 align:middle line:90% Anybody want to make a speech? 00:01:44.933 --> 00:01:47.820 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:01:47.820 --> 00:01:48.010 align:middle line:90% 00:01:48.010 --> 00:01:48.510 align:middle line:90% Oh, no. 00:01:48.510 --> 00:01:49.010 align:middle line:90% The chair. 00:01:49.010 --> 00:01:49.641 align:middle line:90% Yeah? 00:01:49.641 --> 00:01:52.046 align:middle line:84% I wonder, though, if the title and the author, 00:01:52.046 --> 00:01:53.489 align:middle line:90% or the publisher, rather-- 00:01:53.489 --> 00:01:57.200 align:middle line:90% 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:58.113 align:middle line:90% It's out of print. 00:01:58.113 --> 00:01:59.780 align:middle line:84% Well, the poem's in print for the public 00:01:59.780 --> 00:02:02.220 align:middle line:90% by San Francisco Review. 00:02:02.220 --> 00:02:05.960 align:middle line:84% I saw-- the second one is no longer available. 00:02:05.960 --> 00:02:07.350 align:middle line:90% Out of print. 00:02:07.350 --> 00:02:09.889 align:middle line:84% The Ruth Stephan Poetry Center has this one, though, 00:02:09.889 --> 00:02:11.180 align:middle line:90% in its library. 00:02:11.180 --> 00:02:14.180 align:middle line:84% And maybe I'll give them a beat-up copy of the other one 00:02:14.180 --> 00:02:16.640 align:middle line:84% so that they will have the complete-- 00:02:16.640 --> 00:02:18.007 align:middle line:90% there's no covers going on this. 00:02:18.007 --> 00:02:19.340 align:middle line:90% I don't have on any covers left. 00:02:19.340 --> 00:02:21.132 align:middle line:84% But allow me to present it to Mr. Long now. 00:02:21.132 --> 00:02:22.332 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:02:22.332 --> 00:02:22.832 align:middle line:90% 00:02:22.832 --> 00:02:25.245 align:middle line:90% [APPLAUSE] 00:02:25.245 --> 00:02:25.745 align:middle line:90% 00:02:25.745 --> 00:02:27.730 align:middle line:84% Now, you'll have a complete file, anyway. 00:02:27.730 --> 00:02:31.990 align:middle line:90% 00:02:31.990 --> 00:02:32.570 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:02:32.570 --> 00:02:33.944 align:middle line:90% Yeah? 00:02:33.944 --> 00:02:45.740 align:middle line:84% Do you think poetry will be replaced by other media? 00:02:45.740 --> 00:02:48.450 align:middle line:90% 00:02:48.450 --> 00:02:51.740 align:middle line:84% When you think of media, is Marshall McLuhan right or not? 00:02:51.740 --> 00:02:54.500 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:02:54.500 --> 00:02:55.420 align:middle line:90% 00:02:55.420 --> 00:02:56.475 align:middle line:90% Well I don't know. 00:02:56.475 --> 00:02:58.300 align:middle line:84% In the historical long run, who in the hell 00:02:58.300 --> 00:02:59.550 align:middle line:90% knows what's going to survive? 00:02:59.550 --> 00:03:04.180 align:middle line:84% But it's certainly surviving very well in my lifetime. 00:03:04.180 --> 00:03:06.730 align:middle line:84% There's a great deal more interest in poetry today 00:03:06.730 --> 00:03:08.810 align:middle line:84% than there was 10 or 12 years ago. 00:03:08.810 --> 00:03:10.300 align:middle line:84% It's always been a small audience, 00:03:10.300 --> 00:03:12.610 align:middle line:90% probably always will be. 00:03:12.610 --> 00:03:14.380 align:middle line:84% At least, it has been historically, as far 00:03:14.380 --> 00:03:16.570 align:middle line:84% as the United States is concerned-- and indeed, 00:03:16.570 --> 00:03:17.830 align:middle line:90% most of Europe. 00:03:17.830 --> 00:03:19.810 align:middle line:90% It's a small audience. 00:03:19.810 --> 00:03:21.780 align:middle line:90% And it's a specialized art. 00:03:21.780 --> 00:03:24.490 align:middle line:84% And I guess we don't have the opportunity 00:03:24.490 --> 00:03:27.728 align:middle line:84% to be speaking with the grand voices of the tribal bards 00:03:27.728 --> 00:03:28.644 align:middle line:90% of yesteryear. 00:03:28.644 --> 00:03:30.028 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:03:30.028 --> 00:03:31.570 align:middle line:84% Unless the legend was Allen Ginsberg. 00:03:31.570 --> 00:03:35.320 align:middle line:84% He could speak-- great big crowds. 00:03:35.320 --> 00:03:38.080 align:middle line:84% But the audience, such as it is, has 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:43.060 align:middle line:84% been getting larger and more interested 00:03:43.060 --> 00:03:45.580 align:middle line:90% in poetry in the last 10 years. 00:03:45.580 --> 00:03:48.410 align:middle line:84% According to my experience, much more. 00:03:48.410 --> 00:03:50.980 align:middle line:84% And poets, I think, have been rising to the challenge a bit. 00:03:50.980 --> 00:03:53.500 align:middle line:84% In the 40s and the 50s, if people were writing poetry-- 00:03:53.500 --> 00:03:56.220 align:middle line:84% and I wasn't, until the middle of the 50s-- 00:03:56.220 --> 00:03:59.620 align:middle line:84% were all writing for the printed page, 00:03:59.620 --> 00:04:02.890 align:middle line:84% or for the Learned Journal, or something like that, 00:04:02.890 --> 00:04:04.540 align:middle line:90% or a little volume switch-- 00:04:04.540 --> 00:04:06.280 align:middle line:90% were never read in public. 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.090 align:middle line:84% And since about 1957 or '58, I guess, 00:04:10.090 --> 00:04:12.010 align:middle line:84% since Kenneth Rexroth and Allen Ginsberg, 00:04:12.010 --> 00:04:15.520 align:middle line:84% and a number of other people started reading in public, 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.880 align:middle line:84% there's been a new challenge placed in front of the poet. 00:04:18.880 --> 00:04:21.130 align:middle line:84% That is, the poet as a performer, too. 00:04:21.130 --> 00:04:24.580 align:middle line:84% So now, a lot of us are traveling medicine shows. 00:04:24.580 --> 00:04:26.240 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:26.740 align:middle line:90% 00:04:26.740 --> 00:04:30.490 align:middle line:84% In the old days, there was the Chautauqua. 00:04:30.490 --> 00:04:33.400 align:middle line:84% 75 years ago, there was the educational lecturer. 00:04:33.400 --> 00:04:35.500 align:middle line:84% Oscar Wilde toured America before that. 00:04:35.500 --> 00:04:37.270 align:middle line:84% Then there was the Chautauqua, and so on. 00:04:37.270 --> 00:04:43.065 align:middle line:84% Today, a lot of folks have taken over this circuit in a way. 00:04:43.065 --> 00:04:44.440 align:middle line:84% And I don't know what do we do it 00:04:44.440 --> 00:04:49.350 align:middle line:84% any better than the old Chautauqua lecturer did or not. 00:04:49.350 --> 00:04:49.950 align:middle line:90% Yeah? 00:04:49.950 --> 00:04:53.640 align:middle line:84% Would you mind reading the poem which 00:04:53.640 --> 00:04:55.630 align:middle line:84% played-- the title was suggesting 00:04:55.630 --> 00:04:58.470 align:middle line:84% was there something like, the dolphin was involved in this 00:04:58.470 --> 00:04:59.175 align:middle line:90% too. 00:04:59.175 --> 00:05:01.728 align:middle line:90% No, I don't mind at all. 00:05:01.728 --> 00:05:02.520 align:middle line:90% It isn't very long. 00:05:02.520 --> 00:05:10.330 align:middle line:90% 00:05:10.330 --> 00:05:13.890 align:middle line:84% Here's another one of these kind of green thumbs. 00:05:13.890 --> 00:05:16.030 align:middle line:84% I have menacing greens, apparently-- or at least, 00:05:16.030 --> 00:05:17.090 align:middle line:90% they keep telling me. 00:05:17.090 --> 00:05:19.420 align:middle line:84% They keep rising to the surface of the consciousness 00:05:19.420 --> 00:05:21.000 align:middle line:90% in my poetry.