WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.810 align:middle line:90% 00:00:00.810 --> 00:00:03.840 align:middle line:84% And now the questions and answers, OK. 00:00:03.840 --> 00:00:06.600 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:00:06.600 --> 00:00:09.280 align:middle line:84% Mrs Silko Leslie has agreed to do questions and answers. 00:00:09.280 --> 00:00:11.310 align:middle line:84% So if anybody had any questions-- 00:00:11.310 --> 00:00:12.160 align:middle line:90% About anything. 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:13.500 align:middle line:90% It doesn't have to be-- 00:00:13.500 --> 00:00:14.320 align:middle line:90% about anything. 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:17.880 align:middle line:84% It doesn't have to be about anything I read tonight or said 00:00:17.880 --> 00:00:19.290 align:middle line:90% tonight or just-- 00:00:19.290 --> 00:00:19.870 align:middle line:90% yes. 00:00:19.870 --> 00:00:24.150 align:middle line:84% Do you still operate the Flood Plain Press? 00:00:24.150 --> 00:00:27.210 align:middle line:84% I'm like one of the worst small press peoples in the world. 00:00:27.210 --> 00:00:33.690 align:middle line:84% It's sort of not exactly, not exactly. 00:00:33.690 --> 00:00:35.160 align:middle line:90% I haven't completely-- 00:00:35.160 --> 00:00:37.710 align:middle line:84% I mean, I have a whole bunch of copies 00:00:37.710 --> 00:00:42.960 align:middle line:84% of books and the little handmade books 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:48.270 align:middle line:84% that I did for Flood Plain, but it just takes so much time 00:00:48.270 --> 00:00:49.510 align:middle line:90% to do all these things. 00:00:49.510 --> 00:00:52.230 align:middle line:84% And so I keep saying one of these days, but yeah, 00:00:52.230 --> 00:00:55.380 align:middle line:84% so I sort of do, but it's not the kind of press 00:00:55.380 --> 00:00:56.910 align:middle line:90% you want to depend on it all. 00:00:56.910 --> 00:00:59.110 align:middle line:90% Very, very undependable. 00:00:59.110 --> 00:01:00.480 align:middle line:90% That's how I'm running it. 00:01:00.480 --> 00:01:03.120 align:middle line:90% Very undependable. 00:01:03.120 --> 00:01:03.720 align:middle line:90% Good question. 00:01:03.720 --> 00:01:08.600 align:middle line:90% 00:01:08.600 --> 00:01:09.170 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:01:09.170 --> 00:01:12.080 align:middle line:90% Would you do an art show? 00:01:12.080 --> 00:01:14.330 align:middle line:90% Will I be doing an art show? 00:01:14.330 --> 00:01:16.250 align:middle line:90% Yes, have you started it? 00:01:16.250 --> 00:01:21.530 align:middle line:84% Well, actually, some of the star beings 00:01:21.530 --> 00:01:24.870 align:middle line:90% agreed in early September. 00:01:24.870 --> 00:01:30.500 align:middle line:84% And so they appeared at the Mark Rossi Gallery for a while, 00:01:30.500 --> 00:01:32.120 align:middle line:90% but not all of them together. 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:34.880 align:middle line:90% 00:01:34.880 --> 00:01:37.760 align:middle line:90% I think that I have to-- 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.240 align:middle line:84% I think I will know when they will allow it. 00:01:41.240 --> 00:01:46.910 align:middle line:84% But right now, it seems like it isn't time yet. 00:01:46.910 --> 00:01:49.880 align:middle line:84% But one of these days, I'll know that it be all 00:01:49.880 --> 00:01:52.730 align:middle line:90% right to do that. 00:01:52.730 --> 00:01:55.700 align:middle line:84% I do have to say that one of the-- 00:01:55.700 --> 00:02:00.170 align:middle line:84% I allowed one of my neighbors to take one of the star being 00:02:00.170 --> 00:02:03.230 align:middle line:84% portraits home just to sort of borrow it, 00:02:03.230 --> 00:02:08.330 align:middle line:84% and I thought it would be OK because the house is 00:02:08.330 --> 00:02:10.699 align:middle line:90% within sight of our house. 00:02:10.699 --> 00:02:13.790 align:middle line:84% But it seemed like that must have been the wrong thing 00:02:13.790 --> 00:02:18.680 align:middle line:84% to do because it really gave her husband bad dreams 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:22.200 align:middle line:84% and sort of scared them, and they had to bring it back. 00:02:22.200 --> 00:02:24.695 align:middle line:90% So that's how come I'm there-- 00:02:24.695 --> 00:02:27.540 align:middle line:84% the canvases are three feet by four feet. 00:02:27.540 --> 00:02:31.190 align:middle line:84% So they're really imposing, and if you-- 00:02:31.190 --> 00:02:36.660 align:middle line:84% I describe in here how I've gotten to know them. 00:02:36.660 --> 00:02:41.570 align:middle line:84% And for the most part, the star beings don't think much of us 00:02:41.570 --> 00:02:42.540 align:middle line:90% human beings. 00:02:42.540 --> 00:02:46.160 align:middle line:84% And so I'm very careful what I do with their portraits 00:02:46.160 --> 00:02:51.050 align:middle line:84% because the portraits really are for them and not 00:02:51.050 --> 00:02:52.970 align:middle line:90% for me or for us necessarily. 00:02:52.970 --> 00:02:57.800 align:middle line:84% So that's why I can't really say when they'll all of them 00:02:57.800 --> 00:02:59.210 align:middle line:90% be together. 00:02:59.210 --> 00:03:05.120 align:middle line:84% Plus, I've gotten some idea that maybe I 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:08.840 align:middle line:84% have a couple of more that I have to-- 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:10.020 align:middle line:90% that I'm not finished. 00:03:10.020 --> 00:03:12.230 align:middle line:84% And so I don't-- and they want to be-- 00:03:12.230 --> 00:03:13.970 align:middle line:90% they have to be kept together. 00:03:13.970 --> 00:03:18.440 align:middle line:84% And I feel that I probably would be-- 00:03:18.440 --> 00:03:23.480 align:middle line:84% it wouldn't be wise to sell them or split them up. 00:03:23.480 --> 00:03:26.190 align:middle line:84% I think that would not be a good idea for me. 00:03:26.190 --> 00:03:27.560 align:middle line:90% So anyway. 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:28.700 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:03:28.700 --> 00:03:32.060 align:middle line:90% This is about the arboa, ocean-- 00:03:32.060 --> 00:03:33.510 align:middle line:90% ocean what? 00:03:33.510 --> 00:03:35.005 align:middle line:90% Ocean story the novella. 00:03:35.005 --> 00:03:35.505 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:03:35.505 --> 00:03:38.905 align:middle line:84% There is nothing to do is the Navajo, 00:03:38.905 --> 00:03:42.260 align:middle line:90% or it's your personal Odyssey? 00:03:42.260 --> 00:03:49.340 align:middle line:84% Ocean story is how it came about was 00:03:49.340 --> 00:03:52.670 align:middle line:84% a German publisher, a small press in Germany, 00:03:52.670 --> 00:03:58.160 align:middle line:84% was doing a series of books that had to somehow have 00:03:58.160 --> 00:04:00.440 align:middle line:90% to do with the ocean, somehow. 00:04:00.440 --> 00:04:04.520 align:middle line:84% And I was very interested in the Gulf of California 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:07.160 align:middle line:90% and the Sonoran coast. 00:04:07.160 --> 00:04:12.290 align:middle line:84% And also, with the feeling at night up 00:04:12.290 --> 00:04:16.640 align:middle line:84% in the Tucson Mountains at night when you look away-- 00:04:16.640 --> 00:04:19.880 align:middle line:84% when you look into the areas where there's no city lights, 00:04:19.880 --> 00:04:22.320 align:middle line:90% you get the feeling of ocean. 00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:25.250 align:middle line:84% And of course, if you read even just a little bit 00:04:25.250 --> 00:04:29.960 align:middle line:84% about the geology, the geologic history of this area, 00:04:29.960 --> 00:04:34.490 align:middle line:84% and in fact, the whole Western part of the United States, 00:04:34.490 --> 00:04:37.670 align:middle line:84% and of course, on back, the sandstone-- 00:04:37.670 --> 00:04:42.770 align:middle line:84% all these sandstone formations and this entire area, 00:04:42.770 --> 00:04:48.200 align:middle line:84% New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, the remnants of the great ocean, 00:04:48.200 --> 00:04:51.390 align:middle line:84% the great inland seas, are still there. 00:04:51.390 --> 00:04:53.720 align:middle line:84% So I got interested, and I started. 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:58.130 align:middle line:84% I did all this research, and time went by, one year went by, 00:04:58.130 --> 00:05:00.350 align:middle line:84% two years went by, three years went by, 00:05:00.350 --> 00:05:03.290 align:middle line:84% and these poor German publishers were Meanwhile 00:05:03.290 --> 00:05:06.590 align:middle line:90% publishing the other books. 00:05:06.590 --> 00:05:11.120 align:middle line:84% And finally, in the summer of 2007, I broke my foot 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.250 align:middle line:84% and so I just had to stay in the house. 00:05:13.250 --> 00:05:15.420 align:middle line:84% And it was really hot too, which is good. 00:05:15.420 --> 00:05:17.450 align:middle line:84% It makes you stay in the house and write. 00:05:17.450 --> 00:05:21.110 align:middle line:84% And I went through all my notes, and the Germans 00:05:21.110 --> 00:05:23.130 align:middle line:90% wanted nonfiction. 00:05:23.130 --> 00:05:29.630 align:middle line:84% So most of the material that I had gathered was nonfiction, 00:05:29.630 --> 00:05:33.620 align:middle line:84% and at the same time, I had been, 00:05:33.620 --> 00:05:36.080 align:middle line:84% I think, thinking about what had happened 00:05:36.080 --> 00:05:40.610 align:middle line:84% in this country politically since the 9/11 attacks. 00:05:40.610 --> 00:05:44.690 align:middle line:84% And by 2007, you could see that something very terrible 00:05:44.690 --> 00:05:46.860 align:middle line:90% had happened in this country. 00:05:46.860 --> 00:05:50.780 align:middle line:84% And so, as I was working on all of this material, 00:05:50.780 --> 00:05:54.650 align:middle line:84% I kept trying to write it as nonfiction. 00:05:54.650 --> 00:05:59.126 align:middle line:90% And something in me just-- 00:05:59.126 --> 00:06:02.720 align:middle line:84% I let the fiction part of me start, 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:07.940 align:middle line:84% and I came up with a first-person narrator who 00:06:07.940 --> 00:06:14.340 align:middle line:84% didn't care what people thought of her, and she was wonderful. 00:06:14.340 --> 00:06:15.410 align:middle line:90% She wasn't me. 00:06:15.410 --> 00:06:19.890 align:middle line:84% And for me, in my writing, I've mostly used the third person. 00:06:19.890 --> 00:06:26.840 align:middle line:84% So I spun this wonderful story about this woman 00:06:26.840 --> 00:06:31.500 align:middle line:84% and that she goes with this guy who was born in North Africa. 00:06:31.500 --> 00:06:33.950 align:middle line:84% And he gets scared to stay in this country 00:06:33.950 --> 00:06:37.010 align:middle line:84% because he thinks even though he's a naturalized US citizen 00:06:37.010 --> 00:06:38.690 align:middle line:90% and been in the US military. 00:06:38.690 --> 00:06:41.420 align:middle line:90% And so it's actually-- 00:06:41.420 --> 00:06:43.670 align:middle line:84% I call it Puerto Z, but it's really 00:06:43.670 --> 00:06:45.980 align:middle line:90% Puerto Penasco, Rocky Point. 00:06:45.980 --> 00:06:47.840 align:middle line:90% And so they go down there. 00:06:47.840 --> 00:06:52.340 align:middle line:90% 00:06:52.340 --> 00:06:53.570 align:middle line:90% But it's more than that. 00:06:53.570 --> 00:06:57.920 align:middle line:84% There's all sorts of references to the way the ocean was 00:06:57.920 --> 00:06:59.520 align:middle line:90% and the power of the ocean. 00:06:59.520 --> 00:07:08.330 align:middle line:84% And also to the old people also have these different references 00:07:08.330 --> 00:07:10.160 align:middle line:90% and rituals for ocean. 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.180 align:middle line:90% And so that's worked in there. 00:07:12.180 --> 00:07:21.950 align:middle line:84% And so one of the parts of it that makes it kind of radical 00:07:21.950 --> 00:07:26.450 align:middle line:84% is that the narrator's boyfriend or man 00:07:26.450 --> 00:07:30.170 align:middle line:84% that she goes with is really scared of staying in the US 00:07:30.170 --> 00:07:34.910 align:middle line:84% because he thinks that he will be-- 00:07:34.910 --> 00:07:37.800 align:middle line:90% the US government will grab him. 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:40.550 align:middle line:84% And because he was born in North Africa 00:07:40.550 --> 00:07:44.700 align:middle line:84% because of how crazy everything went after 9/11. 00:07:44.700 --> 00:07:49.610 align:middle line:84% And when they get down there, down to Rocky Point 00:07:49.610 --> 00:07:53.720 align:middle line:84% in the fancy condominiums down there, 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:57.020 align:middle line:84% he thinks he sees these guys that-- 00:07:57.020 --> 00:07:58.880 align:middle line:84% that's one of the places they take 00:07:58.880 --> 00:08:01.220 align:middle line:84% people for the secret interrogations, 00:08:01.220 --> 00:08:03.020 align:middle line:90% and so he gets really scared. 00:08:03.020 --> 00:08:06.320 align:middle line:90% But anyway, it's-- 00:08:06.320 --> 00:08:12.140 align:middle line:84% I laugh about it because the narrator is very irreverent, 00:08:12.140 --> 00:08:15.060 align:middle line:90% and she doesn't care. 00:08:15.060 --> 00:08:17.510 align:middle line:84% She doesn't care what people think of her, 00:08:17.510 --> 00:08:22.330 align:middle line:84% but it's so-- when you make a first-person narrator, 00:08:22.330 --> 00:08:24.670 align:middle line:84% it's always so tempting to make people, 00:08:24.670 --> 00:08:26.200 align:middle line:84% you know, because it might be you, 00:08:26.200 --> 00:08:28.120 align:middle line:90% the writer led to like her. 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:29.290 align:middle line:90% And that's awful. 00:08:29.290 --> 00:08:30.850 align:middle line:90% That's a mistake, you know. 00:08:30.850 --> 00:08:35.350 align:middle line:84% And so the reason that I'm happiest with ocean story 00:08:35.350 --> 00:08:38.500 align:middle line:84% is because of this narrator, this woman, 00:08:38.500 --> 00:08:43.240 align:middle line:84% who isn't afraid to say what she thinks. 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.750 align:middle line:84% And then she has an encounter with the ocean 00:08:46.750 --> 00:08:48.940 align:middle line:90% and which is very funny. 00:08:48.940 --> 00:08:51.160 align:middle line:84% It could have been fatal, but it wasn't. 00:08:51.160 --> 00:08:56.980 align:middle line:84% And the fishermen find her and they have those telephones that 00:08:56.980 --> 00:08:58.600 align:middle line:90% can take pictures. 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:03.970 align:middle line:84% And at first, they say they thought it was a mermaid, 00:09:03.970 --> 00:09:09.280 align:middle line:84% but then she says she was glad that the light was dimmed 00:09:09.280 --> 00:09:13.300 align:middle line:84% so that because it was on the television in Mexico, you know, 00:09:13.300 --> 00:09:13.990 align:middle line:90% listening. 00:09:13.990 --> 00:09:18.790 align:middle line:90% Anyway, so I put it out. 00:09:18.790 --> 00:09:23.110 align:middle line:84% I don't know how it's doing on in terms 00:09:23.110 --> 00:09:27.400 align:middle line:84% of the other things that are being sold on that website. 00:09:27.400 --> 00:09:30.850 align:middle line:84% But it made me happy for her to go into the world. 00:09:30.850 --> 00:09:34.240 align:middle line:84% So anyway that's why I'm so pleased about it. 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:38.950 align:middle line:84% It's fiction, even though you have a first-person narrator. 00:09:38.950 --> 00:09:41.800 align:middle line:84% And you might want to mistake me with her, 00:09:41.800 --> 00:09:45.490 align:middle line:84% but that would be a mistake because she's 00:09:45.490 --> 00:09:48.640 align:middle line:84% a more of a free spirit than I am. 00:09:48.640 --> 00:09:50.050 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:09:50.050 --> 00:09:53.200 align:middle line:84% I was wondering, in light of your encompassing vision 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.480 align:middle line:90% of the time in this place. 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.030 align:middle line:84% I was wondering if you would speak a little bit about what's 00:09:58.030 --> 00:10:01.000 align:middle line:84% been going on in the legislature of the state. 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.550 align:middle line:84% Specifically, the ethnic studies ban that our students 00:10:03.550 --> 00:10:05.500 align:middle line:90% are dealing with in Tucson. 00:10:05.500 --> 00:10:14.680 align:middle line:84% You know the direction that things have gone 00:10:14.680 --> 00:10:19.600 align:middle line:84% is to the point now where it's the absurdity of it 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:24.670 align:middle line:84% is so clear, and the impossibility 00:10:24.670 --> 00:10:32.160 align:middle line:84% of any kind of meaningful dialogue is so clear. 00:10:32.160 --> 00:10:34.570 align:middle line:84% That was part of the reason I decided 00:10:34.570 --> 00:10:38.140 align:middle line:84% that it makes more sense to talk to the rattlesnakes 00:10:38.140 --> 00:10:40.180 align:middle line:84% and the bees and the hummingbirds 00:10:40.180 --> 00:10:45.520 align:middle line:84% than it even does to try to, at least 00:10:45.520 --> 00:10:51.460 align:middle line:84% in a kind of sane or intelligent way, talk about those things. 00:10:51.460 --> 00:10:52.870 align:middle line:90% It's insane. 00:10:52.870 --> 00:10:55.690 align:middle line:84% It's absurd that anyone should even 00:10:55.690 --> 00:11:01.600 align:middle line:84% question the right of people to study their own history 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:02.320 align:middle line:90% and culture. 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.770 align:middle line:84% I think it's one of the many Geneva Conventions 00:11:05.770 --> 00:11:08.530 align:middle line:84% that Indigenous people or people of a place 00:11:08.530 --> 00:11:11.095 align:middle line:84% are allowed to know who they are. 00:11:11.095 --> 00:11:13.780 align:middle line:90% 00:11:13.780 --> 00:11:15.220 align:middle line:90% I'll just say this. 00:11:15.220 --> 00:11:20.950 align:middle line:84% That every day and all the years that I was in school 00:11:20.950 --> 00:11:29.470 align:middle line:84% and even now, we get quite ethnic studies all the time, 00:11:29.470 --> 00:11:34.240 align:middle line:84% and I don't get why that we can't have this. 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:36.790 align:middle line:84% Well, I do understand why and it really 00:11:36.790 --> 00:11:39.940 align:middle line:84% has nothing to do with education or anything sane. 00:11:39.940 --> 00:11:44.030 align:middle line:84% So that's about all that I can say. 00:11:44.030 --> 00:11:48.730 align:middle line:84% I think that in some way, by challenging that right 00:11:48.730 --> 00:11:52.390 align:middle line:84% to that knowledge, maybe it will help people 00:11:52.390 --> 00:11:54.770 align:middle line:90% understand how precious it is. 00:11:54.770 --> 00:11:57.610 align:middle line:84% It'll have the reverse effect as these things often 00:11:57.610 --> 00:12:00.940 align:middle line:84% do that when you tell people you can't do this, 00:12:00.940 --> 00:12:02.470 align:middle line:90% you can't study this. 00:12:02.470 --> 00:12:05.480 align:middle line:90% This is outlawed. 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:07.480 align:middle line:90% So I don't feel despair. 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.930 align:middle line:84% I don't feel-- well, for a lot of reasons 00:12:10.930 --> 00:12:15.220 align:middle line:84% because you can see that within another 100 or 200 years, 00:12:15.220 --> 00:12:17.020 align:middle line:90% you can see what? 00:12:17.020 --> 00:12:21.470 align:middle line:84% This part of the Southwest is going to look like. 00:12:21.470 --> 00:12:22.495 align:middle line:90% You can already tell. 00:12:22.495 --> 00:12:26.770 align:middle line:90% [APPLAUSE] Makes me very happy. 00:12:26.770 --> 00:12:29.920 align:middle line:84% Before I came tonight, I had a letter from-- 00:12:29.920 --> 00:12:35.830 align:middle line:84% a note from Vernon Masayesva up at Avila and he wrote-- 00:12:35.830 --> 00:12:37.240 align:middle line:90% he said I'm an elder now. 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.540 align:middle line:84% He said he was way down in my own country, 00:12:40.540 --> 00:12:43.630 align:middle line:84% and he was tracing all of the different Hopi symbols that 00:12:43.630 --> 00:12:45.250 align:middle line:90% are way down there. 00:12:45.250 --> 00:12:50.770 align:middle line:84% And I believe that it's in time that through the internet, 00:12:50.770 --> 00:12:54.220 align:middle line:84% through other things that, once again, 00:12:54.220 --> 00:12:59.050 align:middle line:84% the related people of the Americas are linking up, 00:12:59.050 --> 00:13:02.560 align:middle line:90% and it's inevitable. 00:13:02.560 --> 00:13:09.290 align:middle line:84% And the migration North they, of course, 00:13:09.290 --> 00:13:10.960 align:middle line:84% it doesn't help that the Civil War is 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:14.170 align:middle line:84% broken out and in Chihuahua state first, 00:13:14.170 --> 00:13:15.430 align:middle line:90% but that's what it is. 00:13:15.430 --> 00:13:19.600 align:middle line:84% But there's also other forces more ancient 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:25.840 align:middle line:84% that don't have to do just with economics or Civil War. 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:31.870 align:middle line:84% But on this continent, that flow of human beings and the fact 00:13:31.870 --> 00:13:34.480 align:middle line:84% that throughout the Americas that this 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:40.210 align:middle line:84% is one homeland and the people that come from the South 00:13:40.210 --> 00:13:41.840 align:middle line:90% belong here. 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:44.470 align:middle line:90% They've always crossed over. 00:13:44.470 --> 00:13:47.350 align:middle line:84% One of the most disgusting things you can run into 00:13:47.350 --> 00:13:52.390 align:middle line:84% is how American archeology and certain discoveries 00:13:52.390 --> 00:13:56.170 align:middle line:84% up around Santa Fe and great big cities 00:13:56.170 --> 00:13:59.890 align:middle line:84% that look at an awful lot like the cities to the South, 00:13:59.890 --> 00:14:03.910 align:middle line:84% how all of that kind of gets well just not 00:14:03.910 --> 00:14:11.560 align:middle line:84% uncovered because politically, it 00:14:11.560 --> 00:14:15.820 align:middle line:84% would be too horrendous to have to face that this 00:14:15.820 --> 00:14:18.970 align:middle line:84% is the land of the people from the South 00:14:18.970 --> 00:14:22.180 align:middle line:84% and that were all really one big family. 00:14:22.180 --> 00:14:25.390 align:middle line:84% It's only a matter of time, and we're 00:14:25.390 --> 00:14:28.150 align:middle line:90% seeing the worst of the end. 00:14:28.150 --> 00:14:32.710 align:middle line:84% At the end, when some kind of power is ending, i.e. 00:14:32.710 --> 00:14:38.530 align:middle line:84% the occupational power, there's always a terrible struggle. 00:14:38.530 --> 00:14:41.410 align:middle line:84% But it's already-- it's all over. 00:14:41.410 --> 00:14:44.368 align:middle line:90% In the late '80s-- 00:14:44.368 --> 00:14:48.250 align:middle line:84% no, in the late '90s, I made a trip 00:14:48.250 --> 00:14:54.010 align:middle line:84% through from Western North Carolina University all the way 00:14:54.010 --> 00:14:58.030 align:middle line:84% to the East, and this is in the late '90s. 00:14:58.030 --> 00:15:04.390 align:middle line:84% And when I was in one of the towns, now 00:15:04.390 --> 00:15:06.970 align:middle line:84% I don't remember which one of the university towns 00:15:06.970 --> 00:15:10.900 align:middle line:84% there right by the university this really nice house 00:15:10.900 --> 00:15:12.880 align:middle line:84% was for sale right near the university 00:15:12.880 --> 00:15:14.380 align:middle line:90% nice lawn and everything. 00:15:14.380 --> 00:15:18.130 align:middle line:84% But the sign on the lawn says the vende casa. 00:15:18.130 --> 00:15:23.110 align:middle line:84% There's just so many people in North Carolina and Georgia now. 00:15:23.110 --> 00:15:27.040 align:middle line:84% I mean, the retaking of Aztlan or that shift 00:15:27.040 --> 00:15:30.260 align:middle line:84% is more than just economic, or like I 00:15:30.260 --> 00:15:32.720 align:middle line:90% said, fleeing the Civil War. 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:37.200 align:middle line:84% It's about something that's gone on for a very great long time. 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:41.930 align:middle line:84% So what I would say to get back to what your question was, 00:15:41.930 --> 00:15:47.810 align:middle line:84% you know, those people like that want to sort of-- 00:15:47.810 --> 00:15:51.620 align:middle line:84% want ignorance to reign, that sort of thing. 00:15:51.620 --> 00:15:55.550 align:middle line:84% That's just not something you should even just get very upset 00:15:55.550 --> 00:16:00.860 align:middle line:84% about because it's on the way out. 00:16:00.860 --> 00:16:03.380 align:middle line:90% It's almost over for them. 00:16:03.380 --> 00:16:06.290 align:middle line:84% And I mean the demographics and the sense is not, 00:16:06.290 --> 00:16:09.440 align:middle line:84% you know-- so the best thing to do is just say, 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:12.800 align:middle line:84% you know, and just kind of not even 00:16:12.800 --> 00:16:15.740 align:middle line:84% put that much attention or energy toward it, 00:16:15.740 --> 00:16:24.230 align:middle line:84% but certainly keep the knowledge and keep making ties. 00:16:24.230 --> 00:16:27.350 align:middle line:84% Keep making connections just like the people from Hopi 00:16:27.350 --> 00:16:30.230 align:middle line:84% are going way down into my country. 00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:36.350 align:middle line:84% Make sure that we look after our family members to the South. 00:16:36.350 --> 00:16:39.230 align:middle line:90% Make sure that we don't forget. 00:16:39.230 --> 00:16:41.930 align:middle line:84% Then if-- you know it doesn't matter either 00:16:41.930 --> 00:16:44.150 align:middle line:84% if it's in my lifetime or your lifetime. 00:16:44.150 --> 00:16:50.030 align:middle line:84% But know that in 150 years, maybe less, maybe a little bit 00:16:50.030 --> 00:16:54.500 align:middle line:84% more, everything here will be very, very different 00:16:54.500 --> 00:17:00.440 align:middle line:84% and in a way that we can be at peace with. 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:02.130 align:middle line:84% That's what I would say about that. 00:17:02.130 --> 00:17:03.350 align:middle line:90% Thank you very, very much. 00:17:03.350 --> 00:17:05.200 align:middle line:90% [APPLAUSE]