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Well, we open it up to
questions from the audience.

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Is there anything you'd
like to ask the panelists?

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I'm just wondering like, if you
publish something on a website,

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is it like an archive in a way?

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Is it going to stay
there for a long time?

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Or is that--

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I'm not sure how that works.

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It depends.

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It depends on the journal.

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If you published
something in DIAGRAM,

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it will stay there forever or
until I die, at which point

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perhaps, if my estate
doesn't pay the bill.

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I mean, then who
knows it goes away,

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or maybe it'll be archived
like the Wayback Machine.

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I mean, to some extent,
that's probably,

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it's an interesting
question for librarians.

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How do you archive?

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How do you catalog?

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And we have an ISSN
and we are indexed

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by the American
humanities index.

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So there are certain
things that you

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can do to I think
to give yourself

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a better shot as a magazine of
being around in the long term.

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But you know, it's
never a guarantee.

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I mean, even with print
journals, it's not a guarantee.

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I mean, try to find
a copy of Issue

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two of the "Snorer Review,"
which is UA's grad student run

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journal.

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I'm speaking, I don't
know about you too,

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but I mean, any given issue,
you only publish so many.

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A lot of them, dogs eat it.

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Some of them, I mean, some
of them will be archived.

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Actually if you
want to find out,

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I'm sure the Poetry Center
is by far, your best bet.

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Well, I mean, they were one of
the few really good resources

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for that in the country.

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And so I think it really varies.

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Whereas for instance,
like the people

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that I publish in
Warrior Web, including

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Joan Houlihan, the poet
and critic that I love.

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She was really angry when
her publication disappeared.

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And it did disappear,
it was gone.

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And I freaked out on
the editor, and they

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brought it back in a really some
sort of a subservient way, so

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you at least, get
to the archive.

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But I think, I don't know.

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It's hard to say.

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But there's a lot
of data, so it's

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anyone's guess as to how long
any of this will be around.

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Well, like Andrew
says, it depends.

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For instance, in
the directing code,

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all the past issues
since April of 2000,

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and we're in our 21st issue
this time are all online,

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so they're all still there.

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It is true that some web
publications just poof,

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they're gone.

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For instance, there were a
lot of literary magazines

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that were on geocities,
and because you could

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get on a free-hosting
if you let them

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run their ad along the side
of the page, and all of those

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disappeared when that
company basically

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withdrew that whole
website and that option.

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This, in some respects, in
the United States is behind.

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For instance, the Oxford
Library has an extensive catalog

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and archiving system of
many online publications.

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For instance, I was in a
collaborative writing project

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that was conducted online
on several poetry lists,

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and all of that work that
was written by various poets

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during three months
[INAUDIBLE] on one occasion

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and two months on another.

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It's now our archived
than the Oxford library.

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And the same thing has
happened in Australia

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where a number of
University Libraries

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have archived all sorts of these
online presences, magazines, et

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cetera, and lists activities.

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We have, I think, more
going on here in the way

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than those particular
countries do just

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in terms of sheer numbers.

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But there are some websites
or some magazines that

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have regular archives,
but it is often

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very dependent upon
just the circumstances.

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There's a little bit of a
trade off with that though.

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I mean, in that try to
find a poem in journal x.

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If they're on the internet,
you Google the poem,

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chances are good it's
going to pop up real fast.

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And that sort of instant
gratification, as a teacher

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is really useful for
me, so I'm trying

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to find a particular poem.

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Sometimes I have
time, but you know,

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I'm not that good of
a teacher sometimes.

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So I just need to Google
this, and if it's there,

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great, let's go.

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So I mean, there's a trade that
you make immediately available.

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And I think ultimately, like
no one really knows, right.

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I mean, we're in this
tremendous transition right now.

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I mean, and again, I'm
going back to print to me,

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we're in the biggest
transition and publishers,

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we don't even really know
what's going to happen.

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The e-book, I mean, are there
going to be print books?

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I mean, I think there's always
going to be a place for print.

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And I think it's going to be
these really wonderful books

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that are these
just well-crafted,

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maybe poetry would
be the best form,

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but I think in terms of are
they going to stay online,

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I just don't think we know.

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I think everything is
just sort of moving

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in this other direction
now, and we're all just

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trying to figure
out what's going on.

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Google probably has a plan.

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[LAUGHTER]

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So it may all be online, but
it might be all in their name.

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I'm just curious for
all of you, I mean,

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I think of the way a lot of
like, I read a reading series

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and I think of how--

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I think of diagram, for example,
moving between genres and forms

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that I think of reading
series sometimes

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integrating performance.

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And then I think
of YouTube, which

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has videos and this sort
of movement between YouTube

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and not so much Facebook
and Twitter, but online,

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and cross-genre, and what
you can put in a book,

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and what you can
put in an e-book,

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and then what you can put
in an online publication.

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And do you see some
sort of relationship

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between video creation
or performance

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in books publishing?

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I mean, how do you
publish a performance?

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How do you publish?

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I don't know, it just, I
think of that because I dance,

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and so maybe I don't know.

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It's weird but I'm curious.

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Do you have any thoughts on it?

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So what we might
do is we might--

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in our book, put a website,
and say see the website

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if you want to see a live
performance or reading

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of this particular poet's work.

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It's so much more
accessible now.

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So back in, even just
a couple of years ago,

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we were publishing
poetry with CDs or disks,

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and now that's like what
do you do with the CD?

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No one wants the CDs.

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Libraries don't want that one
because they get lost, right?

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And so now that's kind
of passe, so now we

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do add website
links to our website

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or to the actual print
book, go to this website

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if you want to hear this, or.

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Well, I mean, it's certainly
one of the advantages

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of being online is you can as
long as you have the bandwidth,

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or even like a link to YouTube.

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We can do video,
we can do flash.

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We can do full color, which
was a super expensive when

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I worked at Black Warrior
Review, we put as much color

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as we want.

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We can go crazy.

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We can have audio.

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I mean, you don't have to
pay a certain amount of web

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hosting costs but that's
gone down so much.

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That I mean, not to be clear,
to be able to do anything

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doesn't necessarily
make it easier

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to do anything in particular.

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And it doesn't necessarily
make it better,

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but it's certainly
it removes a lot

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of the financial constraints
on print publishing.

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Like, you're publishing a
long poem or a long story.

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That's 50 pages in
a print journal.

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They have to love
it that much more

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to want to devote that much
of their journal to it.

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And we do to some
extent, it's kind

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of a pain to lay out 50 pages.

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But there's no real
financial disincentive there.

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But I

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Don't know.

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I mean, I think of a
magazine like Born magazine,

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which is one of my
favorite online magazines

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defunct as of this year.

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I'm sad to say, which they
specialize in multimedia stuff,

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and they would hook up a
sound artist with a writer

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with a video, some
who does video,

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and make these really cool, and
sometimes kind of half-assed.

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I mean, pieces that
are all online.

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And so to me, that's
what's so exciting.

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And maybe if we don't
do we have like e-paper,

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we can do that in the
book because I would love,

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love, love to be able to
do books that actually have

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a digital paper, and you can
do stuff in our interactive

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in some way beyond how
interactive text generally

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is, if it's any good.

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But we won't know how that's
going to work for a while.

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But I can almost
guarantee you that if that

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happens, where it's
going to happen,

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will be at the small presses.

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It will not be happening at
the big presses, at least

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not until it's a proven
technology and like a winner,

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and maybe if it has a werewolf
in it that's being milked.

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[LAUGHTER]

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And on that image,
we have to include.

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Thank you so much
for attending and we

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do have a reading coming up, I
believe next on the scheduled.

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Yeah, in 10 minutes, TC
Tolbert will be reading here,

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or in the audience, correct?

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Yes, yes.

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All right.

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Thank you very much, fellows.

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Thank you.

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