WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.530 align:middle line:90% I'll say something quick here. 00:00:01.530 --> 00:00:04.382 align:middle line:84% I mean, the reason that I started a magazine was that-- 00:00:04.382 --> 00:00:06.090 align:middle line:84% I mean, it was probably the reason anyone 00:00:06.090 --> 00:00:07.080 align:middle line:90% starts these things. 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:09.570 align:middle line:84% It's like you see things that no one else is going to take. 00:00:09.570 --> 00:00:12.330 align:middle line:84% And of course, you have the temerity and the ego 00:00:12.330 --> 00:00:15.810 align:middle line:84% to believe that you would have had better taste than anyone 00:00:15.810 --> 00:00:16.500 align:middle line:90% else. 00:00:16.500 --> 00:00:19.020 align:middle line:84% But I mean, also that you can get them read. 00:00:19.020 --> 00:00:21.670 align:middle line:84% And this is the great thing about running an online journal 00:00:21.670 --> 00:00:22.920 align:middle line:90% as opposed to a print journal. 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:24.170 align:middle line:90% I mean, I love print journals. 00:00:24.170 --> 00:00:27.480 align:middle line:84% But I mean, my magazine would get 4 million hits a month, 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:31.800 align:middle line:84% I mean, internationally, whereas when I edited Black Warrior, 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:34.050 align:middle line:90% we had $30,000 budget for that. 00:00:34.050 --> 00:00:40.020 align:middle line:84% It got read by probably 1,500 people, mostly in America. 00:00:40.020 --> 00:00:42.360 align:middle line:84% And I mean, not every print magazine worth its salt 00:00:42.360 --> 00:00:43.050 align:middle line:90% has a website. 00:00:43.050 --> 00:00:46.320 align:middle line:84% But really, it's all about getting 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:49.890 align:middle line:84% in front of other readers and trying to put that work out 00:00:49.890 --> 00:00:52.340 align:middle line:84% there and preferably having some kind of feedback. 00:00:52.340 --> 00:00:54.360 align:middle line:84% That's why we publish people's email addresses 00:00:54.360 --> 00:00:57.420 align:middle line:84% if they want us to is you can get comments, 00:00:57.420 --> 00:00:58.800 align:middle line:90% you can get feedback from. 00:00:58.800 --> 00:01:00.558 align:middle line:84% I think that's what most of us as writers 00:01:00.558 --> 00:01:01.600 align:middle line:90% are probably looking for. 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:05.580 align:middle line:84% We want to be read and responded to, hopefully 00:01:05.580 --> 00:01:07.830 align:middle line:90% not in negative ways. 00:01:07.830 --> 00:01:11.370 align:middle line:84% In terms of publication and as it 00:01:11.370 --> 00:01:13.890 align:middle line:84% relates to making something public, 00:01:13.890 --> 00:01:15.725 align:middle line:84% the internet is a lot more public 00:01:15.725 --> 00:01:17.100 align:middle line:84% in that way than a print journal. 00:01:17.100 --> 00:01:20.130 align:middle line:84% I mean, you can know, you can analyze who's going, 00:01:20.130 --> 00:01:22.347 align:middle line:90% they can respond to you-- 00:01:22.347 --> 00:01:23.430 align:middle line:90% all those sorts of things. 00:01:23.430 --> 00:01:26.670 align:middle line:90% 00:01:26.670 --> 00:01:28.110 align:middle line:90% But-- Julia, did you want-- 00:01:28.110 --> 00:01:29.490 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:01:29.490 --> 00:01:33.330 align:middle line:84% Well, I just want to reiterate what Claudia said last night 00:01:33.330 --> 00:01:35.120 align:middle line:90% which is we are the public. 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:37.530 align:middle line:90% I actually never heard anyone-- 00:01:37.530 --> 00:01:40.590 align:middle line:84% I've heard the question 100,000 times-- 00:01:40.590 --> 00:01:43.320 align:middle line:84% how do we get this work out to the public? 00:01:43.320 --> 00:01:45.000 align:middle line:84% And everybody gets really worried 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:49.120 align:middle line:84% that we are not really bringing our work out. 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:52.620 align:middle line:84% And I've never heard anyone say, you're the public, 00:01:52.620 --> 00:01:53.730 align:middle line:90% in response to that. 00:01:53.730 --> 00:01:56.550 align:middle line:90% 00:01:56.550 --> 00:01:58.410 align:middle line:84% It was liberating and not in a way 00:01:58.410 --> 00:02:01.620 align:middle line:84% that I think it could be which is, OK, good, thank God, 00:02:01.620 --> 00:02:03.908 align:middle line:84% we don't have to talk to anyone out there-- 00:02:03.908 --> 00:02:06.005 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:02:06.005 --> 00:02:07.130 align:middle line:90% --which is a little bit no. 00:02:07.130 --> 00:02:14.510 align:middle line:84% But also, it's that we are exempt from the world 00:02:14.510 --> 00:02:18.920 align:middle line:84% and we aren't people that don't need to be educated anymore. 00:02:18.920 --> 00:02:21.380 align:middle line:84% We already know everything or something. 00:02:21.380 --> 00:02:24.510 align:middle line:84% So it seemed really important that she said that. 00:02:24.510 --> 00:02:26.540 align:middle line:84% But the other thing I wanted to just bring up 00:02:26.540 --> 00:02:31.790 align:middle line:84% about making work public is I started a bookstore forward 00:02:31.790 --> 00:02:34.020 align:middle line:90% facing the gallery this year. 00:02:34.020 --> 00:02:37.220 align:middle line:84% And one of the things that we're doing there 00:02:37.220 --> 00:02:39.870 align:middle line:84% is very much poetry off the page. 00:02:39.870 --> 00:02:42.050 align:middle line:84% It's very much about having screenings and events 00:02:42.050 --> 00:02:45.920 align:middle line:84% and performances and all kinds of different kinds of events. 00:02:45.920 --> 00:02:49.745 align:middle line:84% And so expanding the public for poetry 00:02:49.745 --> 00:02:53.540 align:middle line:84% or for literature or archival literature in Denver 00:02:53.540 --> 00:02:56.630 align:middle line:84% means trying to have art events that 00:02:56.630 --> 00:03:00.320 align:middle line:84% bring in the film community or the visual arts community 00:03:00.320 --> 00:03:02.750 align:middle line:84% and then sneaking a little poetry in there 00:03:02.750 --> 00:03:04.460 align:middle line:84% or just bringing us together so we 00:03:04.460 --> 00:03:07.070 align:middle line:84% get to know each other, which is a huge thing so 00:03:07.070 --> 00:03:10.310 align:middle line:84% that those communities which really have a ton in common 00:03:10.310 --> 00:03:12.560 align:middle line:90% don't ignore each other. 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:14.940 align:middle line:84% And sometimes we don't like each other, 00:03:14.940 --> 00:03:16.670 align:middle line:84% but at least we get to know each other. 00:03:16.670 --> 00:03:21.260 align:middle line:84% And that seems like a step in a direction that's 00:03:21.260 --> 00:03:23.150 align:middle line:90% always fun and-- 00:03:23.150 --> 00:03:24.380 align:middle line:90% yeah. 00:03:24.380 --> 00:03:25.700 align:middle line:90% You're Counterpath, right? 00:03:25.700 --> 00:03:27.523 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:03:27.523 --> 00:03:28.940 align:middle line:84% That's how small the community is. 00:03:28.940 --> 00:03:29.680 align:middle line:90% Yeah, right. 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:30.620 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:03:30.620 --> 00:03:31.370 align:middle line:90% There's a new one. 00:03:31.370 --> 00:03:33.800 align:middle line:90% We all know who it is. 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:37.400 align:middle line:84% My wife and I had Paper Kite Press and Studio 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:38.550 align:middle line:90% for many years. 00:03:38.550 --> 00:03:41.330 align:middle line:84% And it was an art gallery and a performance space. 00:03:41.330 --> 00:03:44.577 align:middle line:84% And everything you're saying is absolutely true. 00:03:44.577 --> 00:03:46.160 align:middle line:84% And we'll tell you from our experience 00:03:46.160 --> 00:03:49.580 align:middle line:84% that the most successful events that we had consistently 00:03:49.580 --> 00:03:54.440 align:middle line:84% were events that have involved more than one thing. 00:03:54.440 --> 00:03:59.790 align:middle line:84% It was music and poetry, or it was an art thing and open mic. 00:03:59.790 --> 00:04:03.620 align:middle line:84% I mean, this cross-pollination will more than 00:04:03.620 --> 00:04:06.480 align:middle line:84% double the audience in the long term. 00:04:06.480 --> 00:04:08.000 align:middle line:84% And I think you're totally right. 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:08.935 align:middle line:90% I just want to agree. 00:04:08.935 --> 00:04:09.560 align:middle line:90% You're correct. 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:13.190 align:middle line:84% That is a great way to do it is we all have access 00:04:13.190 --> 00:04:15.230 align:middle line:84% to all of these other communities 00:04:15.230 --> 00:04:17.787 align:middle line:84% and it behooves us to try and get them together 00:04:17.787 --> 00:04:18.829 align:middle line:90% and to put them together. 00:04:18.829 --> 00:04:21.800 align:middle line:84% Something I heard about two weeks ago that has just 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:25.160 align:middle line:84% stuck with me and I keep thinking of it is it's 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.550 align:middle line:84% really difficult to have an original idea when 00:04:28.550 --> 00:04:33.520 align:middle line:84% you're surrounded by people who have similar experiences. 00:04:33.520 --> 00:04:36.550 align:middle line:84% You can react the same, you can talk to each other 00:04:36.550 --> 00:04:39.050 align:middle line:90% about this thing that you saw. 00:04:39.050 --> 00:04:41.890 align:middle line:84% But if all of your experiences are similar, 00:04:41.890 --> 00:04:44.860 align:middle line:84% all of your reactions are going to be fairly similar also. 00:04:44.860 --> 00:04:49.360 align:middle line:84% So I think it's vital to anybody invested in creative endeavors 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.380 align:middle line:84% to do that, to be plugging in with people who are not 00:04:53.380 --> 00:04:55.480 align:middle line:84% radically diverse because you need 00:04:55.480 --> 00:05:00.730 align:middle line:84% to be able to have some common ground but can extend you 00:05:00.730 --> 00:05:03.030 align:middle line:90% and what you do.