WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.950 align:middle line:90% 00:00:01.950 --> 00:00:04.590 align:middle line:90% Should we go and open things up? 00:00:04.590 --> 00:00:07.530 align:middle line:84% And we've got a microphone somewhere else 00:00:07.530 --> 00:00:08.790 align:middle line:90% that can float around. 00:00:08.790 --> 00:00:09.870 align:middle line:90% No, we only have the two. 00:00:09.870 --> 00:00:12.760 align:middle line:90% 00:00:12.760 --> 00:00:14.260 align:middle line:90% Sure. 00:00:14.260 --> 00:00:16.100 align:middle line:90% You can walk, right? 00:00:16.100 --> 00:00:17.100 align:middle line:90% You know? 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:17.770 align:middle line:90% Yes? 00:00:17.770 --> 00:00:18.670 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:00:18.670 --> 00:00:19.750 align:middle line:90% All right. 00:00:19.750 --> 00:00:20.410 align:middle line:90% All right. 00:00:20.410 --> 00:00:22.030 align:middle line:90% Why don't you go on, sir? 00:00:22.030 --> 00:00:24.980 align:middle line:84% You know, it's very interesting to hear this conversation. 00:00:24.980 --> 00:00:27.190 align:middle line:84% And when you started off, you talked 00:00:27.190 --> 00:00:30.430 align:middle line:84% about what popped into my mind is 00:00:30.430 --> 00:00:32.920 align:middle line:84% publication studio out of Portland 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:34.750 align:middle line:90% and sort of there on demand. 00:00:34.750 --> 00:00:37.510 align:middle line:84% And so there's this whole thing that publishing 00:00:37.510 --> 00:00:38.530 align:middle line:90% and publication. 00:00:38.530 --> 00:00:41.290 align:middle line:84% But somehow, this conversation hasn't rubbed up 00:00:41.290 --> 00:00:43.840 align:middle line:90% against the very word public. 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:46.930 align:middle line:84% So can you talk about the public in relation 00:00:46.930 --> 00:00:48.610 align:middle line:90% to poetry off the page? 00:00:48.610 --> 00:00:50.770 align:middle line:84% And what public are you addressing 00:00:50.770 --> 00:00:54.700 align:middle line:90% in your little worlds? 00:00:54.700 --> 00:00:55.660 align:middle line:90% So big worlds. 00:00:55.660 --> 00:01:00.070 align:middle line:90% Picture the world's publics. 00:01:00.070 --> 00:01:01.720 align:middle line:84% Our executive director just loves 00:01:01.720 --> 00:01:05.530 align:middle line:84% to say that publication comes from to make public. 00:01:05.530 --> 00:01:08.530 align:middle line:84% And to him, publication has a connection 00:01:08.530 --> 00:01:10.220 align:middle line:90% to making things public. 00:01:10.220 --> 00:01:11.720 align:middle line:84% And in a way, that's certainly true. 00:01:11.720 --> 00:01:16.240 align:middle line:84% I mean, I would say, for myself, the thing 00:01:16.240 --> 00:01:18.040 align:middle line:84% that seems to concern me, and it's 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.800 align:middle line:84% tough to be work for speed, and also be a writer 00:01:20.800 --> 00:01:25.780 align:middle line:84% and figure out where one thing shades into the other. 00:01:25.780 --> 00:01:28.060 align:middle line:84% But I feel like what I'm always thinking about 00:01:28.060 --> 00:01:34.600 align:middle line:84% is how do you build an ecosystem of this art form of ours 00:01:34.600 --> 00:01:39.370 align:middle line:84% that's opening and welcome and encourages. 00:01:39.370 --> 00:01:41.710 align:middle line:84% I have in my mind the sort of young poet 00:01:41.710 --> 00:01:44.800 align:middle line:84% who wants to do something a little weird, a little out 00:01:44.800 --> 00:01:45.610 align:middle line:90% of bounds. 00:01:45.610 --> 00:01:49.000 align:middle line:84% And they say to themselves know that wouldn't 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:50.140 align:middle line:90% have a home anywhere. 00:01:50.140 --> 00:01:55.600 align:middle line:84% So I want to make 1,000 flowers bloom or whatever. 00:01:55.600 --> 00:01:58.000 align:middle line:84% So to think about how do you build these 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:03.520 align:middle line:84% on ramps into this community, rather than worrying about what 00:02:03.520 --> 00:02:05.320 align:middle line:84% the sort of hierarchy of the status 00:02:05.320 --> 00:02:08.780 align:middle line:84% how you go up that ladder and how you-- 00:02:08.780 --> 00:02:12.340 align:middle line:84% and I think that's why small press 00:02:12.340 --> 00:02:13.630 align:middle line:90% publishing is important to me. 00:02:13.630 --> 00:02:21.070 align:middle line:84% I think that it's about diversity, right? 00:02:21.070 --> 00:02:23.070 align:middle line:84% Anything even mildly commercial is 00:02:23.070 --> 00:02:24.820 align:middle line:84% going to do at least some kind of analysis 00:02:24.820 --> 00:02:26.830 align:middle line:84% about who they're trying to reach. 00:02:26.830 --> 00:02:30.010 align:middle line:84% And the numbers that you can work 00:02:30.010 --> 00:02:33.400 align:middle line:84% with small presses that are just so much smaller that it 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:34.180 align:middle line:90% can be liberating. 00:02:34.180 --> 00:02:37.360 align:middle line:84% So you know we've got like an anthology of gay Filipino 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:38.200 align:middle line:90% writers. 00:02:38.200 --> 00:02:41.860 align:middle line:84% And I know exactly what any marketer or anyone 00:02:41.860 --> 00:02:44.830 align:middle line:84% with even a sort of mid-sized independent press would say. 00:02:44.830 --> 00:02:47.590 align:middle line:84% It's just too small of a market under the presumption 00:02:47.590 --> 00:02:50.470 align:middle line:84% that only gay Filipino, left-handed people 00:02:50.470 --> 00:02:52.900 align:middle line:84% or whether they're going to read this book. 00:02:52.900 --> 00:02:56.560 align:middle line:84% And so there's a long tradition of small press of serving 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:59.240 align:middle line:90% underserved communities. 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.080 align:middle line:84% It's just about breadth, sexual orientation, and race, 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:06.230 align:middle line:84% and gender absolutely, but also aesthetic breadth for me. 00:03:06.230 --> 00:03:09.730 align:middle line:84% Like that's something that often gets left out of that. 00:03:09.730 --> 00:03:13.700 align:middle line:84% I want to make the art form as wide open as possible. 00:03:13.700 --> 00:03:16.720 align:middle line:84% And I think that a lot of that activity 00:03:16.720 --> 00:03:20.500 align:middle line:84% happens off the page if you consider the distribution 00:03:20.500 --> 00:03:23.320 align:middle line:84% channel, and the printing process, and all 00:03:23.320 --> 00:03:26.170 align:middle line:84% these other symbols thing as part 00:03:26.170 --> 00:03:30.230 align:middle line:90% of poetry integral to poetry. 00:03:30.230 --> 00:03:34.030 align:middle line:84% Maybe other people have other responses, too. 00:03:34.030 --> 00:03:35.000 align:middle line:90%