WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.660 align:middle line:90% 00:00:00.660 --> 00:00:08.340 align:middle line:84% This comes up a lot, and it's this notion of, what 00:00:08.340 --> 00:00:09.690 align:middle line:90% constitutes being published. 00:00:09.690 --> 00:00:12.990 align:middle line:84% And I think it's interesting when you said-- 00:00:12.990 --> 00:00:15.510 align:middle line:84% when you said, if it was published somewhere else, 00:00:15.510 --> 00:00:18.240 align:middle line:84% you would take it, if they would take it down. 00:00:18.240 --> 00:00:22.092 align:middle line:84% It's retroactive, it's tense, and it's really cool. 00:00:22.092 --> 00:00:22.800 align:middle line:90% I mean, I get it. 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:24.600 align:middle line:90% I get the exclusivity. 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:26.850 align:middle line:84% Actually, I've never heard anybody phrase it that way, 00:00:26.850 --> 00:00:29.880 align:middle line:84% where it's almost like post-published instead of 00:00:29.880 --> 00:00:30.780 align:middle line:90% previously published. 00:00:30.780 --> 00:00:32.940 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:00:32.940 --> 00:00:34.080 align:middle line:90% And I think there's-- 00:00:34.080 --> 00:00:35.640 align:middle line:84% I think it's really fuzzy, that's 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:37.930 align:middle line:84% it's really hard to define, and that it's all-- 00:00:37.930 --> 00:00:39.930 align:middle line:84% I don't want to say negotiable, but that there's 00:00:39.930 --> 00:00:42.300 align:middle line:84% wiggle room is great, because it has to be. 00:00:42.300 --> 00:00:44.400 align:middle line:84% Because there's exceptions to almost everything 00:00:44.400 --> 00:00:45.810 align:middle line:90% that has just been described. 00:00:45.810 --> 00:00:47.920 align:middle line:84% Like I said, well, if it's on a personal website. 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:49.710 align:middle line:84% Well, I can tell you, vispo.com is 00:00:49.710 --> 00:00:51.450 align:middle line:84% Jim Andrews is a personal website, 00:00:51.450 --> 00:00:54.690 align:middle line:84% but if you get published there, that counts, so. 00:00:54.690 --> 00:00:58.770 align:middle line:84% And there's a lot of small presses out here, in the world, 00:00:58.770 --> 00:01:03.000 align:middle line:84% in this country, where the principle of that small press 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:05.910 align:middle line:90% has published their own title. 00:01:05.910 --> 00:01:09.000 align:middle line:84% So I mean, that that's self-published, right? 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:09.600 align:middle line:90% You know. 00:01:09.600 --> 00:01:11.940 align:middle line:84% And so even when it isn't self-published 00:01:11.940 --> 00:01:14.430 align:middle line:90% is really hard to define. 00:01:14.430 --> 00:01:16.680 align:middle line:84% The most interesting aspect of self-publishing, to me, 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:20.260 align:middle line:84% came from again from Nick, who I'll keep referring to all day. 00:01:20.260 --> 00:01:23.280 align:middle line:84% But he made a distinction between self-publishing 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.490 align:middle line:84% something that no one else would publish, 00:01:26.490 --> 00:01:30.330 align:middle line:84% and self-publishing something no one else could publish. 00:01:30.330 --> 00:01:31.573 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:01:31.573 --> 00:01:33.990 align:middle line:84% And I am really interested in the things that someone else 00:01:33.990 --> 00:01:35.850 align:middle line:84% couldn't-- or couldn't do as well, 00:01:35.850 --> 00:01:39.840 align:middle line:84% or couldn't meet my level of need for control, you know? 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:43.390 align:middle line:84% Because I think some writers are a real control freak. 00:01:43.390 --> 00:01:49.260 align:middle line:84% But the last thing I want to say is about previously published, 00:01:49.260 --> 00:01:51.870 align:middle line:90% as it pertains to poetry. 00:01:51.870 --> 00:01:54.810 align:middle line:84% And I think the poetry community has 00:01:54.810 --> 00:01:58.110 align:middle line:84% adopted that mindset, just sort of ported over 00:01:58.110 --> 00:02:00.480 align:middle line:84% from big publishing and mainstream publishing, 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:03.510 align:middle line:84% where no one could risk the possibility of getting 00:02:03.510 --> 00:02:05.832 align:middle line:90% sued by Houghton Mifflin. 00:02:05.832 --> 00:02:07.290 align:middle line:84% Because even if you were right, you 00:02:07.290 --> 00:02:09.082 align:middle line:84% would lose, because you couldn't afford to. 00:02:09.082 --> 00:02:14.200 align:middle line:84% I mean, no one who is publishing poetry could go to court. 00:02:14.200 --> 00:02:15.450 align:middle line:90% I can tell you that right now. 00:02:15.450 --> 00:02:16.655 align:middle line:90% They could not go to court. 00:02:16.655 --> 00:02:18.030 align:middle line:84% They are losing money every year, 00:02:18.030 --> 00:02:19.330 align:middle line:84% they're doing it as a labor of love. 00:02:19.330 --> 00:02:21.600 align:middle line:84% Maybe they're getting some grant money, maybe, maybe, 00:02:21.600 --> 00:02:22.890 align:middle line:90% maybe they're breaking even. 00:02:22.890 --> 00:02:26.310 align:middle line:84% But none of these people could go to court, let alone 00:02:26.310 --> 00:02:27.750 align:middle line:90% even pretend to win in court. 00:02:27.750 --> 00:02:30.002 align:middle line:84% So on some level, it makes sense that the issue 00:02:30.002 --> 00:02:32.460 align:middle line:84% is, well, we don't want to take any risk on whether there's 00:02:32.460 --> 00:02:32.970 align:middle line:90% rights. 00:02:32.970 --> 00:02:34.735 align:middle line:84% But the reality is, the question that I 00:02:34.735 --> 00:02:36.360 align:middle line:84% think we should be asking isn't, has it 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:37.590 align:middle line:90% been previously published? 00:02:37.590 --> 00:02:41.940 align:middle line:84% We should ask, does the author own the rights for me 00:02:41.940 --> 00:02:43.380 align:middle line:90% to print it again? 00:02:43.380 --> 00:02:44.940 align:middle line:84% Because that's the only real concern. 00:02:44.940 --> 00:02:47.112 align:middle line:84% I mean, if the author can say-- like, 00:02:47.112 --> 00:02:49.320 align:middle line:84% you say you buy first round of North American rights. 00:02:49.320 --> 00:02:53.100 align:middle line:84% So something that-- if I wrote something and you publish it, 00:02:53.100 --> 00:02:54.600 align:middle line:84% you got first North American rights, 00:02:54.600 --> 00:02:57.093 align:middle line:84% now I can publish it somewhere, again. 00:02:57.093 --> 00:02:59.010 align:middle line:84% Because you only bought first American rights, 00:02:59.010 --> 00:03:00.880 align:middle line:84% so those rights reverted back to me. 00:03:00.880 --> 00:03:03.635 align:middle line:84% So it makes no sense, if your policy is the same as his, 00:03:03.635 --> 00:03:05.010 align:middle line:84% that you wouldn't accept my work, 00:03:05.010 --> 00:03:07.442 align:middle line:84% even though it was previously published there. 00:03:07.442 --> 00:03:09.900 align:middle line:84% I wouldn't be able to, because it was previously published. 00:03:09.900 --> 00:03:12.025 align:middle line:84% But it should be able to, because I own the rights, 00:03:12.025 --> 00:03:13.980 align:middle line:90% because you let me have them.