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We've got time for one more
quick question, just a couple

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more minutes.

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Anybody want to jump in?

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Yeah.

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Well, we're talking
about [INAUDIBLE]..

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What would you do about
the digital divide?

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You say publication is getting
the word out and getting

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more stuff seeing
when we're talking

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about all this digital stuff.

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But what about the people
who can't access or don't

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know to access?

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These two gentlemen might have
something somewhat different

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to say.

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But I feel like--

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or just kind of a
different frame.

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But when I think
about it, I mean

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to be honest I'm not as
immersed in digital publication.

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I'm much more immersed in print
publication, it's what we do.

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But I am glad that the idea
of cultural class came up.

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And I would even go further.

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I think it is, in many ways,
about socioeconomic class.

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And that there is space in
poetry, certainly small press

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poetry, [? symposium ?]
poetry to try to think,

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I don't know, outside of
capitalism in some way.

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That's one of the
reasons I'm personally

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attracted to it, that it can
probe a little bit at it.

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And the thing about
the digital divide

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is that even if you
have a computer,

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even if you have access to the
internet, what we're not saying

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is that there's an education
level and there's leisure time.

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Many people just can't
spend all their time

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either reading a print book
or surfing around online.

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They don't have a job that
gives them time to Facebook.

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And I think that's
something that's

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going to be hard for poetry,
has always been hard for poetry.

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Poetry has always been
something that a lot

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of radical, political people
have connected with poetry.

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At the same time, literacy has
always belonged to the few,

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until very recently.

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And there's still huge
numbers of illiterate people.

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I think that tension is just
something that poetry kind

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of lives with all the time.

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And the best that
I feel I can do

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is just try to be cognizant
of the kinds of things that

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are operating to enforce
that kind of structure,

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to keep people from
having more leisure time.

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The kind of corporate
forces, and state forces

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that make it very difficult.

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Even though we're
I'm deeply complicit.

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And I'm sure we're all deeply
complicit in these things.

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But to try to develop a
consciousness that these things

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are operating in our society.

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I mean, I've give an example.

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It's just a really small one.

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But as Andrew was
saying, I think

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there's intervention
into places online

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where we put some writing on
Amazon, for instance, is great.

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And I think he would very much
agree that, at the same time,

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you have to think about
the fact that this

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is a giant commercial behemoth
that has legal language that

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goes on about 18 pages, that
makes your review that you put

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up there theirs.

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They own it.

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So when you write it, you
actually give up your rights.

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So in a very small
way, and you know,

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it's just really a metaphor.

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But if you think
about other ways

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that rights have been given
up by different people,

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by the way certain
classes get oppressed,

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I think there are interesting
illuminating parallels.

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And there's deep
skepticism that one

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needs, approaching, certainly
in commercial enterprises

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and nonprofit
enterprises too, which

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are funded by the government.

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And there's a lot of
structures around that.

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So I don't know.

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I don't think it really
answers the question.

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It's an unanswerable question.

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But yeah, I think
it's very important

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to think about how
what we operate in

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is part of that larger social
fabric and that social problem.

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There's a lot more
people than us.

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I think the way I would
address the digital divide

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and would recommend
most people do

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is to support your
local public library.

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Those people are getting
their funding cut

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like you would not believe.

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Because people think
that because, you know,

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everybody has the
internet, that nobody

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needs the library anymore.

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And I can tell you from
personal experience

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that there are an
enormous number of people

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who the only internet access
they have is that the library.

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The only access they
have to reading material

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is at the library.

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The libraries need your
support like you can't believe.

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Do something for your library.

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Support them.

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Write a letter to
your Congressman.

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Do anything you can.

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The libraries are one of
many possible solutions

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to bridging the digital divide.

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As is the UA Poetry Center.

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As is the UA Poetry Center.

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You see.

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So advocating for
libraries is a good way

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to wrap up our talk
about the internet.

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