WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.230 align:middle line:90% 00:00:01.230 --> 00:00:05.020 align:middle line:84% I'm Noah Saterstrom, and this is the Avatar-- 00:00:05.020 --> 00:00:06.390 align:middle line:90% Your Avatar And You. 00:00:06.390 --> 00:00:09.330 align:middle line:90% Remember this film? 00:00:09.330 --> 00:00:13.560 align:middle line:84% And I am a visual artist and run the online art journal, 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:17.195 align:middle line:84% Trickhouse, and have a website called-- 00:00:17.195 --> 00:00:19.070 align:middle line:84% look at my website and I'm sure looks 00:00:19.070 --> 00:00:22.230 align:middle line:84% like Noah's Work-a-Day page, where I post a new painting 00:00:22.230 --> 00:00:25.500 align:middle line:90% or drawing every day or so. 00:00:25.500 --> 00:00:27.810 align:middle line:90% And here is Brent Cunningham. 00:00:27.810 --> 00:00:29.880 align:middle line:84% He is a-- It's very brief introduction. 00:00:29.880 --> 00:00:34.180 align:middle line:84% And there a full bios are obviously in the program. 00:00:34.180 --> 00:00:37.180 align:middle line:84% Brent Cunningham is a writer, publisher, and visual artist 00:00:37.180 --> 00:00:38.990 align:middle line:90% living in Oakland, California. 00:00:38.990 --> 00:00:42.070 align:middle line:84% He is a co-founder of Hooke Press, 00:00:42.070 --> 00:00:47.010 align:middle line:84% and operations director for Small Press Distribution. 00:00:47.010 --> 00:00:51.850 align:middle line:84% Ander Monson is the author of a number of paraphernalia 00:00:51.850 --> 00:00:55.780 align:middle line:84% including a website, a decoder wheel, five 00:00:55.780 --> 00:00:58.690 align:middle line:90% books, and several chapbooks. 00:00:58.690 --> 00:01:02.500 align:middle line:84% He teaches at the U of A, and edits the journal, DIAGRAM 00:01:02.500 --> 00:01:05.170 align:middle line:90% and New Michigan Press. 00:01:05.170 --> 00:01:07.240 align:middle line:90% And Dan Waver-- Waber, right? 00:01:07.240 --> 00:01:10.180 align:middle line:84% Yeah, Dan Waber is a visual poet and partner 00:01:10.180 --> 00:01:12.040 align:middle line:90% in Paper Kite Press. 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:17.470 align:middle line:84% His work appears in digital form, print, stage, classroom, 00:01:17.470 --> 00:01:21.740 align:middle line:90% mailboxes, and puppet theaters. 00:01:21.740 --> 00:01:26.410 align:middle line:84% So I actually hadn't thought that much about avatars, 00:01:26.410 --> 00:01:30.190 align:middle line:84% or the word avatar, the idea of avatar much before. 00:01:30.190 --> 00:01:32.890 align:middle line:84% This panel thought about the internet a lot, 00:01:32.890 --> 00:01:36.340 align:middle line:90% but just as a kind of way in-- 00:01:36.340 --> 00:01:40.000 align:middle line:84% and then, we're just going to be pretty informal discussion. 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:41.182 align:middle line:90% I got the [INAUDIBLE]. 00:01:41.182 --> 00:01:44.020 align:middle line:84% They'll introduce each other, and I've got some questions 00:01:44.020 --> 00:01:46.240 align:middle line:84% obviously, and we'll just completely open it up 00:01:46.240 --> 00:01:53.140 align:middle line:84% for conversation to make it as-- hopefully as useful 00:01:53.140 --> 00:01:56.050 align:middle line:84% and illuminating a discussion as possible. 00:01:56.050 --> 00:02:00.310 align:middle line:84% Keep it pretty loose and informal. 00:02:00.310 --> 00:02:03.550 align:middle line:84% But just to ground myself in the conversation, 00:02:03.550 --> 00:02:06.010 align:middle line:90% I looked up avatar. 00:02:06.010 --> 00:02:09.250 align:middle line:90% And of course, it's Sanskrit. 00:02:09.250 --> 00:02:11.560 align:middle line:90% And of course, it-- 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:15.880 align:middle line:84% familiar with avatar is used in Hinduism, 00:02:15.880 --> 00:02:23.020 align:middle line:84% talking about celestial bodies being transformed 00:02:23.020 --> 00:02:25.870 align:middle line:90% into terrestrial bodies. 00:02:25.870 --> 00:02:27.820 align:middle line:84% Krishna and these things, avatars, all the 00:02:27.820 --> 00:02:29.200 align:middle line:90% avatars that would be on Earth. 00:02:29.200 --> 00:02:31.900 align:middle line:84% They coming across is that the analogy 00:02:31.900 --> 00:02:35.650 align:middle line:84% has to do with coming across, celestial to terrestrial. 00:02:35.650 --> 00:02:40.630 align:middle line:84% And I guess, in some ways, we're talking about physical bodies 00:02:40.630 --> 00:02:45.100 align:middle line:84% coming across into digital bodies, and all of what 00:02:45.100 --> 00:02:48.250 align:middle line:84% might happen there in the meantime. 00:02:48.250 --> 00:02:50.660 align:middle line:84% Also woven into this is some of what Ander 00:02:50.660 --> 00:02:53.650 align:middle line:90% was talking about in his talk. 00:02:53.650 --> 00:02:58.120 align:middle line:84% As the original artifact, the form 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:03.880 align:middle line:84% goes from scroll to codex to digital, which is basically 00:03:03.880 --> 00:03:09.580 align:middle line:84% scrolling again, but also, with web, net kind of related stuff. 00:03:09.580 --> 00:03:14.630 align:middle line:84% The content itself changes or has the ability to change. 00:03:14.630 --> 00:03:17.290 align:middle line:84% And so, what you make in response to those things, 00:03:17.290 --> 00:03:20.410 align:middle line:84% how the internet publishing is different 00:03:20.410 --> 00:03:25.900 align:middle line:84% from traditional publishing, all these sorts of things. 00:03:25.900 --> 00:03:29.800 align:middle line:84% Lots of questions there, but maybe we'll start with Brent, 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:35.580 align:middle line:84% and introduce your relationship to the topic at hand.