WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.290 align:middle line:90% 00:00:01.290 --> 00:00:02.460 align:middle line:90% Hello. 00:00:02.460 --> 00:00:03.820 align:middle line:90% My name is Wendy Burk. 00:00:03.820 --> 00:00:05.670 align:middle line:84% I'm the Poetry Center's librarian, 00:00:05.670 --> 00:00:09.340 align:middle line:84% and it's a real pleasure to be with you today. 00:00:09.340 --> 00:00:11.910 align:middle line:84% I'm going to present, as I said, a brief 00:00:11.910 --> 00:00:14.130 align:middle line:84% talk that I'm calling "Text Messages-- 00:00:14.130 --> 00:00:16.680 align:middle line:84% Notes on Johanna Drucker's Artistexts." 00:00:16.680 --> 00:00:18.198 align:middle line:84% And I hope that you'll have the time 00:00:18.198 --> 00:00:20.490 align:middle line:84% over the course of the weekend to look at the Artistext 00:00:20.490 --> 00:00:22.760 align:middle line:84% exhibit in the library, along with all 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:25.470 align:middle line:84% of the other beautiful exhibits that you're going to hear about 00:00:25.470 --> 00:00:27.300 align:middle line:90% in just a few minutes. 00:00:27.300 --> 00:00:29.700 align:middle line:84% It's curated by Drucker, and it includes 00:00:29.700 --> 00:00:31.500 align:middle line:84% holdings from her personal collection 00:00:31.500 --> 00:00:33.750 align:middle line:84% that she's generously loaned to us, 00:00:33.750 --> 00:00:36.090 align:middle line:84% items loaned from the University of Arizona 00:00:36.090 --> 00:00:38.520 align:middle line:84% library's special collections, and holdings 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.880 align:middle line:84% from the Poetry Center's own LR Benes Rare Book Room. 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:43.680 align:middle line:84% And some of those we acquired especially 00:00:43.680 --> 00:00:45.000 align:middle line:90% for Drucker's exhibit. 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:48.930 align:middle line:84% And might I say that everything the Poetry Center 00:00:48.930 --> 00:00:52.920 align:middle line:84% has is available for the public to read that any time. 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:54.450 align:middle line:90% You don't need an appointment. 00:00:54.450 --> 00:00:56.220 align:middle line:90% You don't need to be a student. 00:00:56.220 --> 00:00:58.620 align:middle line:84% You can just come and find me and my colleague Sarah. 00:00:58.620 --> 00:01:00.900 align:middle line:84% And we will share with you these books so 00:01:00.900 --> 00:01:03.955 align:middle line:84% that you not only can admire them under glass, 00:01:03.955 --> 00:01:05.580 align:middle line:84% but you can also, of course, read them. 00:01:05.580 --> 00:01:08.830 align:middle line:90% 00:01:08.830 --> 00:01:12.250 align:middle line:84% So what do I mean by text messages? 00:01:12.250 --> 00:01:16.720 align:middle line:84% Well, as you know, this is the poetry off the page symposium. 00:01:16.720 --> 00:01:19.270 align:middle line:84% And shortly after the symposium was announced, 00:01:19.270 --> 00:01:22.540 align:middle line:84% I started getting texted by all of these different texts-- 00:01:22.540 --> 00:01:25.090 align:middle line:90% 00:01:25.090 --> 00:01:28.650 align:middle line:84% texts written by Walter Hamady, Johanna Drucker, 00:01:28.650 --> 00:01:33.610 align:middle line:84% Emily McVarish, Dieter Roth, Augusto de Campos. 00:01:33.610 --> 00:01:37.870 align:middle line:84% And understandably, O-M-G, these beautiful texts-- 00:01:37.870 --> 00:01:39.640 align:middle line:84% we're wondering, is there any place 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:44.860 align:middle line:84% for on the page work at an off the page symposium? 00:01:44.860 --> 00:01:49.390 align:middle line:90% 00:01:49.390 --> 00:01:50.920 align:middle line:90% I think so. 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:53.020 align:middle line:84% The most conventional printed book 00:01:53.020 --> 00:01:56.140 align:middle line:90% is A Space and Time Machine. 00:01:56.140 --> 00:01:59.290 align:middle line:84% In addition to the linear progression of time and space 00:01:59.290 --> 00:02:03.010 align:middle line:84% as the pages are turned from start to finish or finish 00:02:03.010 --> 00:02:05.860 align:middle line:84% to start, there is the independent unfolding 00:02:05.860 --> 00:02:08.320 align:middle line:84% of time and space occasioned by the text 00:02:08.320 --> 00:02:12.910 align:middle line:84% within, the story within any story, many stories. 00:02:12.910 --> 00:02:15.250 align:middle line:84% And, of course, you can always skip 00:02:15.250 --> 00:02:17.110 align:middle line:90% ahead as far as you want to. 00:02:17.110 --> 00:02:21.300 align:middle line:90% 00:02:21.300 --> 00:02:24.780 align:middle line:84% But artistexts, as Drucker defines them, 00:02:24.780 --> 00:02:26.970 align:middle line:90% mess with your time travel. 00:02:26.970 --> 00:02:30.900 align:middle line:84% They bring you to the page, and they hold you on the page. 00:02:30.900 --> 00:02:32.983 align:middle line:84% They make you ask, what is the page? 00:02:32.983 --> 00:02:34.650 align:middle line:84% And then they leave you with the thought 00:02:34.650 --> 00:02:40.590 align:middle line:84% that the page is the something somewhere where and when things 00:02:40.590 --> 00:02:44.490 align:middle line:90% like this happen. 00:02:44.490 --> 00:02:46.650 align:middle line:84% As Drucker writes, in Intimations 00:02:46.650 --> 00:02:47.910 align:middle line:90% of (Im)materiality-- 00:02:47.910 --> 00:02:52.110 align:middle line:84% Text as Code in the Electronic Environment, quote, 00:02:52.110 --> 00:02:54.750 align:middle line:84% "Think of the page or screen as a force 00:02:54.750 --> 00:02:58.320 align:middle line:84% field, a set of tensions in relation 00:02:58.320 --> 00:03:01.410 align:middle line:84% which assumes a form when intervened 00:03:01.410 --> 00:03:04.260 align:middle line:84% in through the productive act of reading, 00:03:04.260 --> 00:03:09.150 align:middle line:84% a set of elements in contingent relation, a set of instructions 00:03:09.150 --> 00:03:11.280 align:middle line:90% for a potential event." 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:12.870 align:middle line:90% End quote. 00:03:12.870 --> 00:03:15.990 align:middle line:90% Materiality is probability. 00:03:15.990 --> 00:03:21.285 align:middle line:84% 10 poems, in this case, are a hundred million million poems. 00:03:21.285 --> 00:03:27.020 align:middle line:90% 00:03:27.020 --> 00:03:31.700 align:middle line:84% So if materiality is probability, 00:03:31.700 --> 00:03:36.470 align:middle line:84% when we close the book up, do the words go away? 00:03:36.470 --> 00:03:40.140 align:middle line:84% To invoke the Heisenberg uncertainty principle-- 00:03:40.140 --> 00:03:42.020 align:middle line:84% which I'm sure you all know very well 00:03:42.020 --> 00:03:48.530 align:middle line:84% and have invoked on various occasions with those you love-- 00:03:48.530 --> 00:03:51.070 align:middle line:84% is it impossible to know both their position 00:03:51.070 --> 00:03:53.530 align:middle line:90% and their momentum? 00:03:53.530 --> 00:04:00.250 align:middle line:84% Well, to this, the scholar in me confidently answers, meh. 00:04:00.250 --> 00:04:03.430 align:middle line:84% Dan has showed us this morning, and Amaranth 00:04:03.430 --> 00:04:06.430 align:middle line:84% is going to show us in just a few minutes, that materiality 00:04:06.430 --> 00:04:10.660 align:middle line:84% is probability is very much at play in digital poetry. 00:04:10.660 --> 00:04:14.020 align:middle line:84% But I'm curious how far does materiality is probability 00:04:14.020 --> 00:04:17.920 align:middle line:84% extend on the page, and how can we know? 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.260 align:middle line:84% If we open up the same book to the same page 00:04:20.260 --> 00:04:22.510 align:middle line:84% on a hundred different days, and the textual elements 00:04:22.510 --> 00:04:25.840 align:middle line:84% appear in the same order each day, 00:04:25.840 --> 00:04:28.660 align:middle line:90% is it the same page each time? 00:04:28.660 --> 00:04:31.720 align:middle line:84% And will it be the same page next time? 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:38.680 align:middle line:84% And can we be absolutely 100% sure about that? 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:43.840 align:middle line:90% 00:04:43.840 --> 00:04:46.780 align:middle line:84% Artistexts often address this question obliquely at times, 00:04:46.780 --> 00:04:49.120 align:middle line:84% by calling attention to, and at times 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:52.090 align:middle line:84% by calling into question the conventions of the printed 00:04:52.090 --> 00:04:53.030 align:middle line:90% book. 00:04:53.030 --> 00:04:55.030 align:middle line:84% For example, the title page, footnotes, 00:04:55.030 --> 00:04:58.240 align:middle line:84% in this case, the colophon, the very sense 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.420 align:middle line:84% of the page as a two-dimensional plane. 00:05:01.420 --> 00:05:05.080 align:middle line:84% In other words, artistexts put into probabilistic play 00:05:05.080 --> 00:05:07.330 align:middle line:84% all of those elements that attempt to reassure us 00:05:07.330 --> 00:05:09.590 align:middle line:90% that it is the same page. 00:05:09.590 --> 00:05:11.980 align:middle line:90% It's always the same page. 00:05:11.980 --> 00:05:14.440 align:middle line:90% A book is a book is a book. 00:05:14.440 --> 00:05:18.220 align:middle line:90% 00:05:18.220 --> 00:05:21.900 align:middle line:84% And other artistexts slice through the conventions, 00:05:21.900 --> 00:05:24.330 align:middle line:84% giving language a different way to move. 00:05:24.330 --> 00:05:30.370 align:middle line:90% 00:05:30.370 --> 00:05:31.960 align:middle line:84% So they acknowledge that language 00:05:31.960 --> 00:05:38.650 align:middle line:84% has many bodies, danced, sculpted, coded, typeset, sung, 00:05:38.650 --> 00:05:41.140 align:middle line:90% breathed, unspoken. 00:05:41.140 --> 00:05:44.920 align:middle line:84% And isn't it amazing that these are all bodies 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.740 align:middle line:84% that we're going to experience this weekend? 00:05:47.740 --> 00:05:50.800 align:middle line:84% And we've already seen almost all of them 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.230 align:middle line:84% in the presentations last night and this morning. 00:05:53.230 --> 00:05:57.830 align:middle line:90% 00:05:57.830 --> 00:05:59.930 align:middle line:90% Language and its many bodies-- 00:05:59.930 --> 00:06:06.056 align:middle line:84% does this mean that it all comes down to form and content again? 00:06:06.056 --> 00:06:08.466 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:06:08.466 --> 00:06:11.360 align:middle line:90% 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:17.330 align:middle line:84% No, not really, not if the page is a force field, 00:06:17.330 --> 00:06:19.550 align:middle line:84% a set of tensions in relation, a set 00:06:19.550 --> 00:06:22.730 align:middle line:84% of instructions for a potential event, as Drucker puts it. 00:06:22.730 --> 00:06:26.900 align:middle line:90% 00:06:26.900 --> 00:06:32.480 align:middle line:84% It's more about "typopoeisis," a term also coined by Drucker. 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:34.520 align:middle line:90% This is her words. 00:06:34.520 --> 00:06:39.410 align:middle line:84% "The making of a poetic work in and through typographic means." 00:06:39.410 --> 00:06:43.640 align:middle line:84% We draw near to the force field of the page, 00:06:43.640 --> 00:06:46.160 align:middle line:90% or we're absorbed into it. 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.160 align:middle line:90% Or we co-produce with it. 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:54.035 align:middle line:84% We see what has been made, and we make something too. 00:06:54.035 --> 00:06:57.460 align:middle line:90% 00:06:57.460 --> 00:07:05.740 align:middle line:84% And I think that we are enjoined to make something as readers, 00:07:05.740 --> 00:07:11.110 align:middle line:90% as writers, as artists. 00:07:11.110 --> 00:07:19.390 align:middle line:84% We see what is in that case, but we're not going to stop there. 00:07:19.390 --> 00:07:22.300 align:middle line:84% And then we will take what we have seen further. 00:07:22.300 --> 00:07:25.130 align:middle line:90% 00:07:25.130 --> 00:07:30.620 align:middle line:84% And on the page, off the page, we 00:07:30.620 --> 00:07:34.940 align:middle line:84% are all participating in this process, 00:07:34.940 --> 00:07:38.010 align:middle line:90% and moving into the future. 00:07:38.010 --> 00:07:40.408 align:middle line:84% So the book is A Space and Time Machine-- 00:07:40.408 --> 00:07:41.450 align:middle line:90% [AUDIENCE MEMBER SNEEZES] 00:07:41.450 --> 00:07:42.100 align:middle line:90% Bless you. 00:07:42.100 --> 00:07:44.150 align:middle line:90% Excuse me. 00:07:44.150 --> 00:07:45.380 align:middle line:90% --really comes to fruition. 00:07:45.380 --> 00:07:49.540 align:middle line:90% 00:07:49.540 --> 00:07:52.620 align:middle line:90% And that's a good text message. 00:07:52.620 --> 00:07:54.570 align:middle line:90% Thank you all very much. 00:07:54.570 --> 00:07:57.920 align:middle line:90% [APPLAUSE] 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:01.430 align:middle line:90%